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so this isn't anything that just is

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limited to the united states it's a

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remote viewing or resonance viewing as

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we'll be discussing my guest

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as a phd in sociology an author musician

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resonance viewer and a director among

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many many other things i have dr simeon

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hein on the show sim how are we today

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hey andy thanks for having me here today

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how are you i am awesome uh thank you

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very much obviously we had to reschedule

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this but i've had a ton of people

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getting in touch when i said i was going

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to be speaking to you on the show so a

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lot of people really excited for this

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one and even knowing you and listening

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to many of your interviews or watching

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your youtube channel before it was

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really hard for me to kind of pick some

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subjects to discuss and what exactly to

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discuss and found myself almost spoiled

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for choice so there's a lot to get to

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some and i want to start learning a

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little bit about you as well um there's

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so many topics like i said to discuss to

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get right into it you started your

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training and resonance viewing um at the

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farsight institute in 1996 is that

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right right right that's how i got

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started in it just after i finished

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graduate school

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what's your story that led you to ending

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up at the farsight institute to study

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resonance viewing

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well i um

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i had been in

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university teaching statistics as an

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assistant professor i decided to take a

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break from that and uh i was in boulder

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colorado and i heard a

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someone named courtney brown on my local

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community radio station kgnu

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and uh he was talking about what he

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called remote viewing and he had written

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this book called cosmic voyage and

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the things he said seemed so outlandish

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and so far-fetched you know based on my

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academic training of what i thought

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could be real or not real you know

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he talked about it you know the military

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having used it and that anybody could

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really do it and that he was teaching

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classes in it and i really thought

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either this has to be the biggest hoax

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some part of me felt really curious and

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bookstore i almost put the book back on

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the shelf and walked out and just as i

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was walking out i thought you know you

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really should just check the book out so

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read it and there was a number at the

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back of the book and he described you

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could come take his courses i called

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this 800 number and he called back a few

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hours later and said we have one space

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left in our class coming up this is

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and i went and took the class uh

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and you know i was kind of like an

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open-minded skeptic i mean i was open to

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the idea that maybe people had abilities

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that i had never been told about

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that most of us hadn't been told about

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there was something was going to be

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discovered here i was just really

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curious and i was open

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to it being real or not real but i did

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find within a couple days it was a

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week-long class using these protocols

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which had been developed by remote

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intelligence agencies to develop

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kind of a tool for psychic espionage

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and they ingo developed some of these

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protocols for them and he called it

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within a couple days it really i was

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pictures that you could not see ahead of

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time the room was set up exactly the way

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a gray room with no windows

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there was a monitor and a target and i

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to find that i was really describing

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some of these pictures very accurately

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and so were the other people in the

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so that that's a pretty cool thing to be

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studying because in my head i start to

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think of you know like the x-men school

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and walking in and um you describe these

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non-descript rooms and i'm guessing

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that's to stop any sort of outside

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interferences grey walls cubicles is

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that right yeah right the the the main

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issue that comes up when people do

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remote viewing you know what i like to

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call resonant viewing it's it's more the

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kind of scientific model i think might

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be behind it but the idea is that to

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lower the amount of

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advice we all have this sort of subtle

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signal there

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for non-local perception most of the

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time it's in the far background because

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we're all very busy people and for the

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most part we're pretty much concerned

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with what's in front of us we need to be

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for survival reasons but those non-local

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signals are there

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i'm sure many listeners

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have had the experience of just getting

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a thought or a feeling out of nowhere

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in your life that turned out to be very

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accurate about a family member or a

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situation something that you couldn't

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get physical information about but you

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just had a gut feeling

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and it kind of broke through into your

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everyday ordinary routine and you paid

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attention you made a phone call or

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something or took action and it turned

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out to be correct that's sort of what

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it's like and what can distract us from

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paying attention to those signals when

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we want to is that we have a lot of

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mental noise so ingo

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recognize what some of that mental noise

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is and reduce some of the distraction in

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your environment so that you didn't have

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anything in the local vicinity you know

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influencing you while you were doing a

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session so he kind of created this

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protocol that included gray

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you know walled rooms

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and that's how it was set up and i i it

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i just could not see any reason why this

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would work but somehow after about date

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uh i noticed i was really getting some

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accuracy there with just ordinary we're

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talking and the ordinary sort of target

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at the beginning at least you know

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eiffel tower mount kilimanjaro

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different scenes around the world of

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famous places and situations and things

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like that uh landmarks and and you'd

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really be surprised that it could the

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target could have been anything and

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there you were

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uh describing something like the eiffel

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tower or

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cancun mexico the resort area things

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like that and it's really quite a shock

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get that type of contact because you

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don't know how you did

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it there's no rational explanation at

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least that we have right now

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uh at the time your mind can't

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understand how you did it but there you

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you can see on the paper that you did

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and that's what's really very

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interesting and kind of shocking about

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yeah that's really cool like did you

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have any sort of experiences beforehand

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that that led you to to having that

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interest and you know resonance viewing

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or was it just something that kind of

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came about at the time

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well that's a really good question um

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i had been in graduate school for seven

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and i went to school continuously

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graduate school

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for a total of 27 years of school from

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kindergarten a phd

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which is a long time

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and as everyone's familiar with our

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educational system doesn't really

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emphasize these sorts of uh phenomena

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so you don't really know how to make

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sense of it when it happens to you

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and i would have to say

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the only experience i had

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that did open me up

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to something being

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really different from our consensus

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reality there are probably a couple

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things along the way but the first one

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really was a ufo sighting with my mom in

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the everglades in the 1970s she was a

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bird watcher and she

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you know i had a brother too but she

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decided she was going to take me down to

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the everglades when i was like 10 or 11

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or something like this

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to go see birds and we had our

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binoculars and i made a youtube video

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about what happened

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a couple months ago but

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something came over and i thought it was

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the moon it was so big and so bright i

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this is the moon but why is it look so

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weird it was a kind of a strange

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greenish color

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and it looked sort of ominous and

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i said mom look at the moon and and she

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said sure you know the moon the moon was

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over there on the horizon it wasn't

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above us

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the moon was out too but it wasn't this

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thing this thing was different

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and uh it had these structures on it

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which we could see with our binoculars

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on the bottom but it was also kind of

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gaseous looking and

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ambiguous and it was also formed very

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strange and hard to make sense of what

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you were looking at

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anyway we went to a ranger talk a couple

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hours later all the lights went out

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and when the ranger convened you know in

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the national park system here they have

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these ranger talks anyone who's been to

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a national park you know as a kid or

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recently i'm sure they still do them

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they have these ranger talks you know

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they have these themes andy and they

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they can you get together at this

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pavilion and

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they talk about you know in the

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everglades they would have talked about

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the ecosystems there and then the swamps

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and all this

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and the first thing the ranger said she

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said did anyone see anything interesting

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today you know

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like you know alligators or birds and we

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said we all my mom and i we both are

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interested yeah we just saw ufo

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and she said

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oh that's interesting did anyone else

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see anything interesting

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right yep

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and anyway

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we actually sat next to people who had

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also seen it so we knew we weren't the

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only ones right

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but she didn't want to talk about it we

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even went up afterwards any case

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that happened to me really early on and

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as a result of that ufo sighting i

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realized there must be something else

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more going on than anyone was talking

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about and i read books by john keel the

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mothman prophecies

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and i eventually ended up with timothy

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goode's book

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above top secret somewhere along the

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line in college

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so

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that sighting probably opened me up to

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the idea that there were things that

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existed you know that you just didn't uh

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you hadn't been told about formally in

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your educational experience

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so anyway the remote viewing for me came

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at the tail end after graduate school

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after being an assistant professor and

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everything

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and it was a big shock to see something

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that my rational mind probably said at

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the time it did it said this there's no

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way this could work you there's no way

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you could know about something you can't

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sense physically

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but it worked and that really opened it

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opened me up to a lot of other topics

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over subsequent years and decades

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because

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you know once one of those bricks starts

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falling out of the wall of consensus

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reality you know one of those bricks

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comes out that

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you know esp i imagine andy and i'm sure

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some of the listeners here would have

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thought

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in the past perhaps that

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esp was something that was real but was

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only for special people that was my

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belief at the time when i took the class

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in 1996 that you had to be special and

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when ingo swann developed this system

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and with russell targe and he'll put off

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uh you know hal and engel worked really

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hard to develop it and it was based on

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the idea that this isn't a special

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sort of ability that everybody has it to

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some degree they just don't know they

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have it and with training you can

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you can get better at it you can learn

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more so it's not something that's you

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know psychic or special

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or extra or para something you know

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paranormal it's normal it's just that

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you haven't been trained to pay

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attention to those signals probably for

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the most part unless you've had a lot of

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other types of training so uh

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to anyone who's been part of our

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educational system it'd be quite a shock

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the first time you see yourself get good

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target contact like that

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no and that's a really good shout

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because one of your videos i watched

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recently you made a really

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a good point i thought on it that

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especially with your background and

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in numbers and that's what you studied

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you would look at data and i'm probably

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going to get this horribly wrong but the

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idea being that when you study something

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you look at a sample of data and you

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tend to look at all the data that group

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says that the mean average that this

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this is what's most likely but every now

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and again there's outliers and there may

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be just a number here that doesn't quite

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fit or or a subject here that just gets

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ignored and cast away because it doesn't

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fit with the what you're looking for

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as a result

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but what you said was that actually

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maybe these outliers are the things we

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should be studying and we should be

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looking at

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and that's that's your you know your esp

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your rv your uaps and that was a really

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interesting point because like you say

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just because it's not part of the the

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consensus

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and everyone knows and what we go with

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as part of our society and culture

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doesn't mean it's not worthy of further

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study or looking at

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yeah i think that's a very good way to

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summarize what we just said and that's

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exactly right uh we've all been part of

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this system that has been focused on

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what we believe to be the mean average

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you know

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the group being the normal kind of

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groupings in the center from a bell

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curve distribution right

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it's just how our science has developed

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over a couple hundred years

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and there are things that have

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knocked it out of place here and there

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but in terms of ordinary reality let me

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say

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macroscopic reality let's just we're not

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talking quantum microscopic phenomena

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science has said that that quantum

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sort of phenomena doesn't apply to the

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macro scale so we're going to just use

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classical

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you know ordinary statistics and that

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leads us to throw out using kind of our

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own prejudices

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and judgments to subjectively throw out

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data i remember being told this in

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graduate school you take the outliers

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and you know you can throw a few out

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it's okay everybody does it but let's

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say you're throwing out the stuff that

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really matters

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and uh that's serious because that means

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our entire world view could have been

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skewed for the past 100 200 years in a

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direction

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of

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would mean that our world view right now

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is out of touch with reality from

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centuries of this sort of bureaucratic

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conditioning to look

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at just ordinary statistics typical

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statistics where you're using means and

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variances but let's say there are no

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means or variances over the long run

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then what we're doing is literally

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pushing away a large chunk of reality i

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think that's what happened i think

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that's what happened over the past

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decades and

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longer and this is why our

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sense of reality is you know just to

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talk about this in a big sense just for

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a second it's it's so

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it's so distorted from what reality

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really is

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and this is where all these phenomena

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why we are having such a challenge to

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fit them into our world view because

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conventional science has been very happy

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to say that they're outliers

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yeah but i'd like to point out that

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covid was an outlier too

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there was a time in this country in the

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u.s i still remember president trump

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saying it

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this was only a half what when was this

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february yeah february that was yeah and

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this is not that long ago like half a

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year ago there were six deaths and 22

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cases and he said

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listen

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folks you don't have to worry about it

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it's just uh

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it's just so unlikely you're going to

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get it i watched this on the tv it's so

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unlikely you're going to get it because

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sophie that's an outlier you're saying

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just a couple people got it you know and

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it came and we have this under control

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we're confident we have this underground

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look what happened six months later

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that's what happens when you use those

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ordinary statistics is you can't see

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the black swan events you can't see

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things that can change rapidly and if

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that's true that would mean that a lot

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of these other phenomena have been

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called paranormal aren't really

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paranormal it's just we've kind of

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labeled them that way because they just

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don't fit within

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the world view that we're comfortable

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with but

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you know andy and as everyone you you

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know and everyone who's listening knows

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the world world views change

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world views do change and they change

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because there's data and there's

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information and events

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and subjects that won't go away

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because they're really there

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and eventually the worldview has to

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catch up and i think that's what we're

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seeing right now and that's why i've got

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this podcast and speaking to people like

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yourself um so going back to some of

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your first

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remote viewing or resonance viewing

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experiences actually before i even get

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to that sim let's clear this up because

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a lot of people are going to be here as

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discussing remote viewing and residence

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viewing now this is something i know

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you've said on your website in your blog

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there's not necessarily a difference you

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just prefer the term residence viewing

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do you just want to talk on that quickly

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as to why why you think the terms are

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yeah i mean the term remote viewing was

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created according to my understanding by

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ingoswan for

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you know it was created for a government

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contract for intelligence agencies it

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was created for the dia and the cia

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and when you're in the grant business

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you got to make what you're doing sound

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sexy so that the funders want to pay you

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right

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i mean they're not going to fund

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something that sounds really boring so

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you put x's in there and you know you

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make it really cool i mean this is what

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companies do you know when they want to

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get listed to be a company in the stock

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market or something they put an x in

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there

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and the way they did it with this is

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they called it remote viewing so it

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sounded kind of ordinary enough

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and also kind of different at the same

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time i mean you could have thought it

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was almost like a saddle a satellite

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reconnaissance technique or something

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right

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i remember some guy in my office in

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boulder when i first set up my remote

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viewing institute there the mount baldy

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institute in 1977 he said hey

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you're into remote viewing let's have

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lunch and so i'm going out to lunch and

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he thought i was into satellite

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reconnaissance

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yeah so

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they called it that because you know you

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want to get the funding you want the

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project to you know

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get off the ground so you're not going

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to make it sound too strange you're not

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going to call it psychic you know

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perception you're going to call it

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something that sort of fits in the kind

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of bureaucratic

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parlance of the time and they called it

560
00:20:30,230 --> 00:20:27,919
remote viewing but the question is

561
00:20:32,310 --> 00:20:30,240
uh is it really remote if it really

562
00:20:33,990 --> 00:20:32,320
works the way it seems to work that

563
00:20:36,310 --> 00:20:34,000
you're here and you're getting

564
00:20:38,630 --> 00:20:36,320
information from what some appears to be

565
00:20:40,789 --> 00:20:38,640
over there a non-local target as we say

566
00:20:42,630 --> 00:20:40,799
or it could be even in the future

567
00:20:44,549 --> 00:20:42,640
past you know

568
00:20:45,510 --> 00:20:44,559
well then it can't be remote

569
00:20:46,470 --> 00:20:45,520
so

570
00:20:48,230 --> 00:20:46,480
that's

571
00:20:49,669 --> 00:20:48,240
and the reason is andy was when people

572
00:20:51,270 --> 00:20:49,679
think about remote viewing then they

573
00:20:52,710 --> 00:20:51,280
think that they're actually going

574
00:20:55,190 --> 00:20:52,720
somewhere they're projecting their

575
00:20:57,190 --> 00:20:55,200
astral body to the location and dropping

576
00:20:58,630 --> 00:20:57,200
in and some of the early military

577
00:21:00,070 --> 00:20:58,640
viewers actually thought that's what

578
00:21:01,190 --> 00:21:00,080
they were doing they're kind of dropping

579
00:21:02,549 --> 00:21:01,200
into the target site you know like

580
00:21:04,470 --> 00:21:02,559
parachuting in

581
00:21:07,510 --> 00:21:04,480
all this well look whatever works for

582
00:21:09,990 --> 00:21:07,520
you works i'm not saying that's a bad

583
00:21:11,990 --> 00:21:10,000
uh you know sort of analogy

584
00:21:14,149 --> 00:21:12,000
uh it's not a bad description but is

585
00:21:17,029 --> 00:21:14,159
that in terms of physics is that really

586
00:21:18,789 --> 00:21:17,039
what's going on i don't think so i think

587
00:21:21,590 --> 00:21:18,799
you're getting the information here

588
00:21:24,149 --> 00:21:21,600
which would make the analogy more

589
00:21:25,750 --> 00:21:24,159
like a type of mental radio

590
00:21:27,510 --> 00:21:25,760
not saying it's an electromagnetic

591
00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:27,520
signal i'm saying it's a little more

592
00:21:32,310 --> 00:21:30,480
like resonance quantum resonance uh the

593
00:21:34,870 --> 00:21:32,320
type of thing that edgar mitchell you

594
00:21:37,830 --> 00:21:34,880
know six man to walk on the moon

595
00:21:39,590 --> 00:21:37,840
you know ufo disclosure pioneer

596
00:21:41,350 --> 00:21:39,600
uh all around very fascinating

597
00:21:42,630 --> 00:21:41,360
interesting important person in our

598
00:21:44,470 --> 00:21:42,640
history

599
00:21:46,549 --> 00:21:44,480
edgar mitchell talked about quantum

600
00:21:48,630 --> 00:21:46,559
resonance and quantum holography i think

601
00:21:50,789 --> 00:21:48,640
it's something more like that and that's

602
00:21:52,230 --> 00:21:50,799
why i prefer to call it resonant viewing

603
00:21:53,830 --> 00:21:52,240
and rather than remote because when you

604
00:21:56,549 --> 00:21:53,840
call it remote it kind of sets up a

605
00:21:59,110 --> 00:21:56,559
certain kind of way of looking at it

606
00:22:01,590 --> 00:21:59,120
and i just we just remembered that that

607
00:22:04,149 --> 00:22:01,600
name was given to it in kind of a

608
00:22:05,669 --> 00:22:04,159
bureaucratic setting a funding setting

609
00:22:08,310 --> 00:22:05,679
and so forth

610
00:22:10,149 --> 00:22:08,320
at sri but i think in reality it's not

611
00:22:12,630 --> 00:22:10,159
really remote or you wouldn't be getting

612
00:22:14,789 --> 00:22:12,640
information that information is

613
00:22:17,350 --> 00:22:14,799
there and you're receiving it so it's

614
00:22:19,350 --> 00:22:17,360
more like more like a radio

615
00:22:20,710 --> 00:22:19,360
analogy which should mean kind of like

616
00:22:22,549 --> 00:22:20,720
tuning and frequency and resonance

617
00:22:23,750 --> 00:22:22,559
that's that's how i look at it

618
00:22:25,510 --> 00:22:23,760
hopefully that clears that up for the

619
00:22:26,390 --> 00:22:25,520
listeners as we go through the rest of

620
00:22:28,549 --> 00:22:26,400
the show

621
00:22:30,549 --> 00:22:28,559
um so you talked about and you touched

622
00:22:32,230 --> 00:22:30,559
on some of your first experiences when

623
00:22:34,549 --> 00:22:32,240
you were at the farsight institute where

624
00:22:36,950 --> 00:22:34,559
you would hit targets like eiffel tower

625
00:22:39,669 --> 00:22:36,960
cancun mexico do you remember any

626
00:22:41,590 --> 00:22:39,679
particular early profound experience

627
00:22:44,710 --> 00:22:41,600
with resonance viewing what was your

628
00:22:46,149 --> 00:22:44,720
first kind of wow moment

629
00:22:48,230 --> 00:22:46,159
yeah there were a couple that's a good

630
00:22:50,149 --> 00:22:48,240
question because uh i think the first

631
00:22:52,630 --> 00:22:50,159
one that really you know really shocked

632
00:22:53,990 --> 00:22:52,640
me was the target of cancun mexico it

633
00:22:55,909 --> 00:22:54,000
was a picture of the hotels and the

634
00:22:57,350 --> 00:22:55,919
beach and everything there in cancun i'd

635
00:22:59,350 --> 00:22:57,360
never been there seen pictures of it

636
00:23:01,750 --> 00:22:59,360
before but uh

637
00:23:03,990 --> 00:23:01,760
i was getting you know the water and the

638
00:23:06,549 --> 00:23:04,000
beaches and then i got these hotels and

639
00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:06,559
then my mind i'm kind of walking around

640
00:23:10,630 --> 00:23:08,480
in the building because you can give

641
00:23:13,590 --> 00:23:10,640
viewers movement exercises to have them

642
00:23:15,270 --> 00:23:13,600
move into structures and walk around and

643
00:23:16,710 --> 00:23:15,280
see you know see what they see

644
00:23:19,350 --> 00:23:16,720
i mean why not

645
00:23:22,630 --> 00:23:20,789
i remember hearing people speaking

646
00:23:24,230 --> 00:23:22,640
spanish and waiters and all this and i

647
00:23:25,830 --> 00:23:24,240
drew this picture and it was this bay

648
00:23:27,750 --> 00:23:25,840
and these boats and i thought i'm making

649
00:23:29,029 --> 00:23:27,760
this all up that's what you think when

650
00:23:30,470 --> 00:23:29,039
you're on target

651
00:23:32,630 --> 00:23:30,480
your conscious mind thinks you're making

652
00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:32,640
it all up because it didn't create the

653
00:23:35,270 --> 00:23:34,080
data so

654
00:23:36,950 --> 00:23:35,280
it says

655
00:23:39,590 --> 00:23:36,960
this can't be right but

656
00:23:41,430 --> 00:23:39,600
part of the training is to objectify

657
00:23:43,029 --> 00:23:41,440
whatever those thoughts are the only

658
00:23:44,630 --> 00:23:43,039
rule is you got to write everything down

659
00:23:46,390 --> 00:23:44,640
during a session every thought that you

660
00:23:47,909 --> 00:23:46,400
have and it's got to go somewhere not

661
00:23:49,269 --> 00:23:47,919
saying you know you know it's not all

662
00:23:50,710 --> 00:23:49,279
accurate you got to write it down so you

663
00:23:52,070 --> 00:23:50,720
know those doubts are going to come into

664
00:23:53,909 --> 00:23:52,080
your mind and you just write them down

665
00:23:56,070 --> 00:23:53,919
on the side you know kind of don't

666
00:23:57,990 --> 00:23:56,080
believe this or think of making this up

667
00:24:00,230 --> 00:23:58,000
if you get those thoughts well it turned

668
00:24:01,350 --> 00:24:00,240
out to be a very accurate drawing of the

669
00:24:03,190 --> 00:24:01,360
setting

670
00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:03,200
even the boats and the where the

671
00:24:06,470 --> 00:24:05,039
buildings were and that was really i

672
00:24:09,350 --> 00:24:06,480
mean

673
00:24:11,029 --> 00:24:09,360
you just think how did i do that because

674
00:24:13,909 --> 00:24:11,039
you don't know how you did it it comes

675
00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:13,919
from your subconscious mind your

676
00:24:17,510 --> 00:24:16,080
subconscious or your unconscious mind

677
00:24:19,029 --> 00:24:17,520
it's a different place than the

678
00:24:21,430 --> 00:24:19,039
conscious mind let's just put it that

679
00:24:23,430 --> 00:24:21,440
way and you're not really aware of how

680
00:24:24,950 --> 00:24:23,440
you got the information but it does work

681
00:24:26,310 --> 00:24:24,960
so that was one of them that cancun

682
00:24:28,549 --> 00:24:26,320
targeted and then there was another

683
00:24:31,029 --> 00:24:28,559
target that courtney gave us

684
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:31,039
it was the destruction of the dinosaurs

685
00:24:35,430 --> 00:24:32,400
event you know

686
00:24:37,669 --> 00:24:35,440
65 million years ago now again you got

687
00:24:39,830 --> 00:24:37,679
to keep in mind these are not double

688
00:24:41,110 --> 00:24:39,840
blind targets which would be the most

689
00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:41,120
scientific way to do it they're blind

690
00:24:44,149 --> 00:24:42,480
targets the monitor knows what the

691
00:24:45,750 --> 00:24:44,159
target is but you don't

692
00:24:48,310 --> 00:24:45,760
no one's told you ahead of time what the

693
00:24:50,789 --> 00:24:48,320
q is so on this destruction of the dark

694
00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:50,799
uh dinosaur target remember you know

695
00:24:55,269 --> 00:24:53,039
first i'm seeing all these dinosaurs

696
00:24:57,669 --> 00:24:55,279
there's creatures in a swamp i didn't

697
00:24:59,510 --> 00:24:57,679
know if they were dinosaurs but they

698
00:25:01,430 --> 00:24:59,520
creatures in a swamp

699
00:25:03,269 --> 00:25:01,440
sort of not like ordinary creatures like

700
00:25:05,590 --> 00:25:03,279
we used to know and then

701
00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:05,600
the thing i noticed was the smell the

702
00:25:11,029 --> 00:25:08,240
air was so clean

703
00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:11,039
it was like not air that you would smell

704
00:25:13,830 --> 00:25:12,240
nowadays

705
00:25:16,549 --> 00:25:13,840
it was just extraordinary clean so i'm

706
00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:16,559
in my mind of wondering where am i

707
00:25:21,669 --> 00:25:18,640
and then uh we were given a movement

708
00:25:23,510 --> 00:25:21,679
exercise to move past whatever the main

709
00:25:24,870 --> 00:25:23,520
event was that was the focus of the

710
00:25:27,669 --> 00:25:24,880
session and all of a sudden i just saw

711
00:25:29,430 --> 00:25:27,679
it turn into dust you know and gray the

712
00:25:30,789 --> 00:25:29,440
dark and everything

713
00:25:32,230 --> 00:25:30,799
and i again i didn't know how to make

714
00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:32,240
sense of that you just

715
00:25:36,789 --> 00:25:34,080
you're trained in viewing to write

716
00:25:38,470 --> 00:25:36,799
everything down describe don't name

717
00:25:39,830 --> 00:25:38,480
you're not trying to figure out what

718
00:25:41,350 --> 00:25:39,840
you're viewing this is what people need

719
00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:41,360
to understand you're not

720
00:25:44,070 --> 00:25:42,960
actively sitting there trying to figure

721
00:25:45,669 --> 00:25:44,080
out what your

722
00:25:47,350 --> 00:25:45,679
viewing target is

723
00:25:49,269 --> 00:25:47,360
your job is just to describe whatever

724
00:25:52,390 --> 00:25:49,279
information comes across

725
00:25:54,630 --> 00:25:52,400
the lattice there and uh

726
00:25:56,310 --> 00:25:54,640
you're supposed to just write it down

727
00:25:57,590 --> 00:25:56,320
and you make sense of it later and then

728
00:25:58,549 --> 00:25:57,600
you get the feedback you do a little

729
00:25:59,909 --> 00:25:58,559
post session somewhere you get the

730
00:26:00,950 --> 00:25:59,919
feedback so it was pretty shocking to

731
00:26:03,029 --> 00:26:00,960
find out

732
00:26:03,909 --> 00:26:03,039
uh that it actually was the destruction

733
00:26:06,070 --> 00:26:03,919
of the

734
00:26:09,430 --> 00:26:06,080
dinosaurs you know that i had been

735
00:26:11,909 --> 00:26:09,440
viewing something 65 million years ago

736
00:26:16,390 --> 00:26:14,149
there's also one more target it was a

737
00:26:17,830 --> 00:26:16,400
japanese attack on pearl harbor i just

738
00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:17,840
remember seeing these things that i

739
00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:20,880
thought were bees at the horizon coming

740
00:26:24,549 --> 00:26:22,000
towards me

741
00:26:25,990 --> 00:26:24,559
and they made this very loud sound which

742
00:26:28,310 --> 00:26:26,000
i thought was kind of loud for insects

743
00:26:30,149 --> 00:26:28,320
and then they turned into planes

744
00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:30,159
now i didn't get the rest of the

745
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:31,600
destruction and everything but it was

746
00:26:34,390 --> 00:26:32,880
just interesting that that's what the

747
00:26:35,990 --> 00:26:34,400
target was and you see these things

748
00:26:38,950 --> 00:26:36,000
coming in you know in your mind's eye

749
00:26:39,990 --> 00:26:38,960
and it becomes planes and uh you know

750
00:26:42,950 --> 00:26:40,000
and

751
00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:42,960
three sort of targets that were pretty

752
00:26:46,310 --> 00:26:44,880
surprising from the beginning so that

753
00:26:48,230 --> 00:26:46,320
that third one could have asked the

754
00:26:51,029 --> 00:26:48,240
question i was going to ask anyway

755
00:26:53,590 --> 00:26:51,039
is it a scary experience whether it's

756
00:26:54,870 --> 00:26:53,600
something you do now with with can a few

757
00:26:57,029 --> 00:26:54,880
decades of

758
00:26:58,710 --> 00:26:57,039
of this behind you or even the first

759
00:27:01,990 --> 00:26:58,720
time is there a fear there at all when

760
00:27:06,070 --> 00:27:02,000
you're you're viewing these experiences

761
00:27:09,190 --> 00:27:06,080
the the it's a good question and

762
00:27:10,789 --> 00:27:09,200
it's more like seeing a movie

763
00:27:12,310 --> 00:27:10,799
um

764
00:27:14,470 --> 00:27:12,320
you can always walk out of the booby

765
00:27:16,950 --> 00:27:14,480
theater if it gets to be too much

766
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:16,960
right you can end the session i mean

767
00:27:21,830 --> 00:27:18,960
the structure here the protocol is that

768
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:21,840
the viewer is in charge of the session

769
00:27:26,710 --> 00:27:24,240
not the monitor so nobody's making you

770
00:27:28,710 --> 00:27:26,720
do anything you don't want to do

771
00:27:30,549 --> 00:27:28,720
you are being given a blind target you

772
00:27:33,029 --> 00:27:30,559
have to trust your

773
00:27:34,950 --> 00:27:33,039
monitor and the people setting up the

774
00:27:36,310 --> 00:27:34,960
viewing session it's trust is really

775
00:27:38,470 --> 00:27:36,320
important in viewing because you're

776
00:27:41,190 --> 00:27:38,480
really going in there literally blind

777
00:27:43,669 --> 00:27:41,200
with no knowledge of the target

778
00:27:45,190 --> 00:27:43,679
and uh in you know in terms of your

779
00:27:46,870 --> 00:27:45,200
knowledge ahead of time and you have to

780
00:27:48,470 --> 00:27:46,880
trust that the people are going to be

781
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:48,480
you know giving you something worthwhile

782
00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:49,679
to look at

783
00:27:53,110 --> 00:27:50,640
and

784
00:27:54,310 --> 00:27:53,120
if you do encounter something that feels

785
00:27:57,269 --> 00:27:54,320
kind of

786
00:27:58,870 --> 00:27:57,279
scary as you put it you can

787
00:28:01,590 --> 00:27:58,880
end the session but you don't have to

788
00:28:03,430 --> 00:28:01,600
because andy you're not really there

789
00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:03,440
this is uh

790
00:28:07,110 --> 00:28:05,039
the term for

791
00:28:09,190 --> 00:28:07,120
viewing when you feel that type of

792
00:28:11,110 --> 00:28:09,200
contact that feels very real is called

793
00:28:12,870 --> 00:28:11,120
bilocation

794
00:28:14,870 --> 00:28:12,880
so

795
00:28:16,630 --> 00:28:14,880
you know just like you have a bicameral

796
00:28:19,190 --> 00:28:16,640
brain you know like a left and a right

797
00:28:20,870 --> 00:28:19,200
hemisphere

798
00:28:23,350 --> 00:28:20,880
part of you is aware that you're sitting

799
00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:23,360
there in the ch you know in your chair

800
00:28:26,310 --> 00:28:24,960
if that's how you're doing it crv is a

801
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:26,320
written technique it's not something

802
00:28:31,430 --> 00:28:28,320
you're doing lying down as other

803
00:28:33,990 --> 00:28:31,440
techniques do you're uh

804
00:28:35,669 --> 00:28:34,000
writing and your eyes are open so you're

805
00:28:36,710 --> 00:28:35,679
aware that you're sitting there writing

806
00:28:38,470 --> 00:28:36,720
but

807
00:28:41,510 --> 00:28:38,480
uh

808
00:28:42,310 --> 00:28:41,520
you're also perceiving something else

809
00:28:43,750 --> 00:28:42,320
and

810
00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:43,760
uh

811
00:28:48,389 --> 00:28:45,760
you know for the most part

812
00:28:49,590 --> 00:28:48,399
it's i would say it isn't a scary

813
00:28:53,190 --> 00:28:49,600
experience

814
00:28:55,430 --> 00:28:53,200
the only time it becomes like that

815
00:28:57,830 --> 00:28:55,440
it seems is if you have a very

816
00:28:59,909 --> 00:28:57,840
non-ordinary experience during the

817
00:29:03,110 --> 00:28:59,919
viewing

818
00:29:08,389 --> 00:29:06,389
a guy i remember in opening my mind i

819
00:29:10,870 --> 00:29:08,399
referred to him as bob

820
00:29:12,870 --> 00:29:10,880
who felt like a ball of light came into

821
00:29:13,669 --> 00:29:12,880
the room when he was doing a session

822
00:29:16,950 --> 00:29:13,679
once

823
00:29:19,269 --> 00:29:16,960
it was an et type session as we

824
00:29:21,350 --> 00:29:19,279
did a little later on in the training

825
00:29:22,710 --> 00:29:21,360
and he was really alarmed by that he

826
00:29:26,710 --> 00:29:22,720
actually

827
00:29:28,389 --> 00:29:26,720
to describe it because you're told

828
00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:28,399
during the session describe whatever you

829
00:29:32,870 --> 00:29:30,640
perceived during the session so this he

830
00:29:34,789 --> 00:29:32,880
felt in the hotel we were in in atlanta

831
00:29:36,389 --> 00:29:34,799
that a ball of light kind of drifted

832
00:29:38,950 --> 00:29:36,399
over the desk and when he touched it he

833
00:29:41,430 --> 00:29:38,960
felt like a electrical burning sensation

834
00:29:42,310 --> 00:29:41,440
now that's pretty uh rare

835
00:29:45,029 --> 00:29:42,320
um

836
00:29:47,029 --> 00:29:45,039
but that's what he felt he experienced

837
00:29:49,590 --> 00:29:47,039
and he was really shocked and disturbed

838
00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:49,600
by it he i remember he was visibly upset

839
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:51,120
after the session now that hasn't

840
00:29:53,669 --> 00:29:52,320
happened to me i haven't experienced

841
00:29:55,430 --> 00:29:53,679
balls of light during the session but

842
00:29:56,549 --> 00:29:55,440
there's really no guarantees once you

843
00:29:58,549 --> 00:29:56,559
start

844
00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:58,559
opening up the aperture

845
00:30:01,909 --> 00:30:00,720
i mean more things can come through than

846
00:30:05,110 --> 00:30:01,919
you're used to

847
00:30:07,590 --> 00:30:05,120
but at the end of the day it's a session

848
00:30:10,149 --> 00:30:07,600
right it's a viewing session it's not an

849
00:30:12,149 --> 00:30:10,159
out of body experience at least not crv

850
00:30:13,430 --> 00:30:12,159
i mean this isn't the monroe institute

851
00:30:15,430 --> 00:30:13,440
or anything like that

852
00:30:17,430 --> 00:30:15,440
which has its own protocols which i know

853
00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:17,440
people have gone to and really enjoyed

854
00:30:23,990 --> 00:30:19,760
but this is more a different sort of

855
00:30:27,430 --> 00:30:25,430
and you're supposed to be present enough

856
00:30:29,510 --> 00:30:27,440
so you can write everything down

857
00:30:31,750 --> 00:30:29,520
right because if if you're too far out

858
00:30:33,430 --> 00:30:31,760
into the experience you'll stop writing

859
00:30:35,110 --> 00:30:33,440
uh it's not a technique where you have a

860
00:30:36,470 --> 00:30:35,120
tape recorder there and you're talking

861
00:30:37,350 --> 00:30:36,480
you're writing so

862
00:30:39,750 --> 00:30:37,360
uh

863
00:30:42,149 --> 00:30:39,760
it's called coordinate removing some

864
00:30:43,990 --> 00:30:42,159
people call it controlled remote viewing

865
00:30:46,549 --> 00:30:44,000
if that gives you any sort of hint about

866
00:30:48,470 --> 00:30:46,559
you're supposed to have a degree of

867
00:30:50,710 --> 00:30:48,480
discipline over what's going on during

868
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:50,720
the session so that

869
00:30:56,070 --> 00:30:54,000
you're still in control and the viewer

870
00:30:57,590 --> 00:30:56,080
you do encounter sessions as a monitor

871
00:31:00,230 --> 00:30:57,600
where the viewer says i don't want to

872
00:31:01,669 --> 00:31:00,240
view this anymore i want to stop it's

873
00:31:03,269 --> 00:31:01,679
brought up memories for them or

874
00:31:06,549 --> 00:31:03,279
something

875
00:31:08,710 --> 00:31:06,559
this can happen with ufo et type targets

876
00:31:11,110 --> 00:31:08,720
i've seen it happen on several occasions

877
00:31:14,149 --> 00:31:11,120
where it brought up repressed memories

878
00:31:16,630 --> 00:31:14,159
of ufo or et context or something like

879
00:31:18,389 --> 00:31:16,640
that that the person had not processed

880
00:31:19,669 --> 00:31:18,399
before and it all came flooding back

881
00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:19,679
during the session and they felt like

882
00:31:22,230 --> 00:31:20,880
they had to end it and we can all

883
00:31:23,509 --> 00:31:22,240
understand that right

884
00:31:24,870 --> 00:31:23,519
absolutely

885
00:31:26,630 --> 00:31:24,880
you end it when you want to end it and

886
00:31:28,630 --> 00:31:26,640
that's how it works yeah i was going to

887
00:31:30,950 --> 00:31:28,640
ask on that have you ever seen anything

888
00:31:33,190 --> 00:31:30,960
yourself that afterwards you thought i

889
00:31:36,789 --> 00:31:33,200
wish i hadn't or i didn't want to see

890
00:31:41,029 --> 00:31:38,389
uh yes

891
00:31:43,830 --> 00:31:41,039
honestly uh

892
00:31:47,350 --> 00:31:43,840
there in boulder at the time in the late

893
00:31:48,310 --> 00:31:47,360
90s there was a a homicide near my

894
00:31:51,669 --> 00:31:48,320
building

895
00:31:53,909 --> 00:31:51,679
and it was in the part of

896
00:31:56,310 --> 00:31:53,919
town where i felt like it was you know

897
00:31:57,990 --> 00:31:56,320
like this is my territory i guess we all

898
00:31:59,909 --> 00:31:58,000
feel that way about our where we live

899
00:32:01,190 --> 00:31:59,919
right like it's your street or something

900
00:32:03,830 --> 00:32:01,200
if something happens like that you're

901
00:32:08,149 --> 00:32:03,840
gonna feel like hey i want to find out

902
00:32:08,950 --> 00:32:08,159
who did that so i chose to view

903
00:32:09,750 --> 00:32:08,960
the

904
00:32:12,870 --> 00:32:09,760
uh

905
00:32:15,509 --> 00:32:12,880
the actual murder remotely

906
00:32:17,509 --> 00:32:15,519
some people do this to work with police

907
00:32:19,590 --> 00:32:17,519
they call it a signed

908
00:32:22,870 --> 00:32:19,600
signed witness

909
00:32:25,590 --> 00:32:22,880
sort of protocol

910
00:32:27,110 --> 00:32:25,600
where you will go back later to look at

911
00:32:29,430 --> 00:32:27,120
the crime scene

912
00:32:33,110 --> 00:32:29,440
and move around in time to get

913
00:32:35,750 --> 00:32:33,120
information about what happened right

914
00:32:41,909 --> 00:32:39,110
it was a particularly sort of violent

915
00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:41,919
crime and if you're not quite prepared

916
00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:43,120
for it

917
00:32:47,029 --> 00:32:44,720
you're going to get a lot of information

918
00:32:48,549 --> 00:32:47,039
from the event

919
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:48,559
there's going to be a lot of violence

920
00:32:52,950 --> 00:32:50,640
and it's may not be something that

921
00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:52,960
you've encountered before and that was

922
00:32:56,470 --> 00:32:54,960
something that i felt

923
00:32:58,870 --> 00:32:56,480
later i probably wouldn't want to do

924
00:33:00,789 --> 00:32:58,880
again i i did actually call the police

925
00:33:02,149 --> 00:33:00,799
with the information and some of the

926
00:33:04,230 --> 00:33:02,159
attorneys in the building told me i

927
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:04,240
shouldn't because they said you know oh

928
00:33:08,070 --> 00:33:06,480
you could if you're too accurate that

929
00:33:10,389 --> 00:33:08,080
you could be a suspect right think about

930
00:33:12,070 --> 00:33:10,399
it if you identify

931
00:33:13,990 --> 00:33:12,080
the suspect even

932
00:33:15,909 --> 00:33:14,000
um they're going to want to know how you

933
00:33:17,350 --> 00:33:15,919
got that information and they don't know

934
00:33:18,789 --> 00:33:17,360
what remote viewing is because you

935
00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:18,799
called them right they didn't call you

936
00:33:22,549 --> 00:33:20,240
so i learned from that experience first

937
00:33:24,070 --> 00:33:22,559
of all don't just volunteer information

938
00:33:25,350 --> 00:33:24,080
over the police like that they need to

939
00:33:25,990 --> 00:33:25,360
want to have you involved otherwise

940
00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:26,000
they're going to think it's a little

941
00:33:29,269 --> 00:33:27,600
weird if you just call them up

942
00:33:30,630 --> 00:33:29,279
yeah i did call them up with the

943
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:30,640
description

944
00:33:34,870 --> 00:33:34,080
ten years later they did catch the guy

945
00:33:38,310 --> 00:33:34,880
who

946
00:33:41,110 --> 00:33:38,320
committed this murder

947
00:33:43,830 --> 00:33:41,120
um and assault and uh

948
00:33:46,149 --> 00:33:43,840
they had dna evidence they didn't have

949
00:33:47,750 --> 00:33:46,159
the dna techniques at the time to get

950
00:33:49,110 --> 00:33:47,760
information from the objects that were

951
00:33:50,710 --> 00:33:49,120
there and uh

952
00:33:52,549 --> 00:33:50,720
it turned out to be very accurate to

953
00:33:54,549 --> 00:33:52,559
session in terms of where he lived and

954
00:33:56,630 --> 00:33:54,559
everything as i sort of traced it you

955
00:33:57,830 --> 00:33:56,640
know where he went and where did he live

956
00:33:59,509 --> 00:33:57,840
all these things

957
00:34:00,710 --> 00:33:59,519
uh i don't know if that's something i'd

958
00:34:02,710 --> 00:34:00,720
want to do again but there are people

959
00:34:04,789 --> 00:34:02,720
that specialize in working with police

960
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:04,799
solving crimes things like that uh bevvy

961
00:34:08,550 --> 00:34:06,480
yeagers was a very well-known psychic

962
00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:08,560
who passed away a number of years ago

963
00:34:14,629 --> 00:34:12,000
she had the u.s sci squad in st louis

964
00:34:17,589 --> 00:34:14,639
and i remember taking a couple

965
00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:17,599
seminars with her after the irva

966
00:34:21,589 --> 00:34:19,440
international remote viewing association

967
00:34:23,589 --> 00:34:21,599
meetings in the vegas area

968
00:34:24,950 --> 00:34:23,599
i think it took two of her you know

969
00:34:26,790 --> 00:34:24,960
seminars

970
00:34:29,510 --> 00:34:26,800
and she would tell us that that her

971
00:34:32,069 --> 00:34:29,520
group was about 80 successful in solving

972
00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:32,079
crimes but she also said it's very

973
00:34:36,149 --> 00:34:34,560
difficult emotionally and so forth uh

974
00:34:37,669 --> 00:34:36,159
because of what you're you know involved

975
00:34:39,909 --> 00:34:37,679
with i i guess you know you can

976
00:34:41,909 --> 00:34:39,919
understand that um so that's the sort of

977
00:34:43,270 --> 00:34:41,919
thing where you might think you know did

978
00:34:44,710 --> 00:34:43,280
i really want to do this but of course

979
00:34:46,470 --> 00:34:44,720
you're doing it for the better good you

980
00:34:47,990 --> 00:34:46,480
want to prevent it from happening again

981
00:34:48,869 --> 00:34:48,000
you want to catch the person who did it

982
00:34:50,310 --> 00:34:48,879
so

983
00:34:51,669 --> 00:34:50,320
you know there's just a trade off there

984
00:34:52,950 --> 00:34:51,679
and and one more thing andy i should

985
00:34:55,109 --> 00:34:52,960
mention there are techniques for

986
00:34:57,829 --> 00:34:55,119
detoxing yourself after a viewing

987
00:35:02,230 --> 00:34:57,839
session pretty important thing to do

988
00:35:05,430 --> 00:35:02,240
to separate out the uh the vibes from

989
00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:05,440
the target scene an event from yourself

990
00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:07,200
so that you know you kind of let it go

991
00:35:09,829 --> 00:35:08,640
again

992
00:35:11,190 --> 00:35:09,839
don't carry it

993
00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:11,200
yeah yeah sure that that must be

994
00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:12,640
important and thank you for sharing that

995
00:35:15,430 --> 00:35:14,160
as well because that's a pretty profound

996
00:35:18,069 --> 00:35:15,440
experience

997
00:35:20,390 --> 00:35:18,079
has your perception of resonance viewing

998
00:35:24,310 --> 00:35:20,400
changed since your first experiences

999
00:35:27,430 --> 00:35:26,390
um

1000
00:35:29,430 --> 00:35:27,440
yeah

1001
00:35:31,589 --> 00:35:29,440
and i'll tell you why

1002
00:35:35,109 --> 00:35:31,599
once you go down this

1003
00:35:37,030 --> 00:35:35,119
path of learning rv it opens doors to

1004
00:35:39,750 --> 00:35:37,040
many new topics

1005
00:35:42,550 --> 00:35:39,760
that you might not have expected you you

1006
00:35:43,670 --> 00:35:42,560
know yourself to get involved with

1007
00:35:45,430 --> 00:35:43,680
because

1008
00:35:47,270 --> 00:35:45,440
you're viewing different sorts of

1009
00:35:48,069 --> 00:35:47,280
phenomena and different sorts of things

1010
00:35:49,670 --> 00:35:48,079
and

1011
00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:49,680
for a lot of people

1012
00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:52,160
remote viewing resonant viewing is kind

1013
00:35:56,230 --> 00:35:54,480
of like a gateway drug

1014
00:35:57,589 --> 00:35:56,240
it's the first thing that you try i'm

1015
00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:57,599
just saying that in a kind of a

1016
00:36:01,510 --> 00:35:59,760
facetious way yeah

1017
00:36:04,390 --> 00:36:01,520
it opens you up to something and you're

1018
00:36:06,790 --> 00:36:04,400
saying well what else might be true that

1019
00:36:08,230 --> 00:36:06,800
i wasn't told about in school or as a

1020
00:36:11,589 --> 00:36:08,240
kid that's what it did for me

1021
00:36:13,349 --> 00:36:11,599
what other phenomena might be out there

1022
00:36:15,910 --> 00:36:13,359
that are actually

1023
00:36:18,069 --> 00:36:15,920
uh real that the public doesn't really

1024
00:36:21,829 --> 00:36:18,079
know about right

1025
00:36:23,750 --> 00:36:21,839
and it's also because it's sort rv

1026
00:36:26,069 --> 00:36:23,760
attracts people

1027
00:36:28,069 --> 00:36:26,079
that have worked in these areas but

1028
00:36:29,910 --> 00:36:28,079
might have had security clearances and

1029
00:36:31,910 --> 00:36:29,920
they're not talking about it to the

1030
00:36:33,030 --> 00:36:31,920
public but when they come to the rv

1031
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:33,040
class

1032
00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:35,280
they feel like they're in amelia where

1033
00:36:38,950 --> 00:36:37,040
they feel comfortable telling their

1034
00:36:41,190 --> 00:36:38,960
stories to the other people who are

1035
00:36:44,150 --> 00:36:41,200
there because perhaps the other people

1036
00:36:45,349 --> 00:36:44,160
who've come to the rv class are as crazy

1037
00:36:47,349 --> 00:36:45,359
as they are

1038
00:36:50,150 --> 00:36:47,359
to be open to these topics i'm saying

1039
00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:50,160
that in a kind of a fun way right so you

1040
00:36:55,349 --> 00:36:51,920
encounter people that have a lot of

1041
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:55,359
credibility who've worked in different

1042
00:36:59,430 --> 00:36:57,359
jobs perhaps for the government or in

1043
00:37:01,750 --> 00:36:59,440
private industry where they've seen

1044
00:37:03,990 --> 00:37:01,760
things and they know a lot

1045
00:37:05,589 --> 00:37:04,000
behind the scenes about what's going on

1046
00:37:07,349 --> 00:37:05,599
with these phenomena but they've never

1047
00:37:08,870 --> 00:37:07,359
really shared it with anyone else so

1048
00:37:11,030 --> 00:37:08,880
they begin to share with you and other

1049
00:37:12,630 --> 00:37:11,040
people in the class and so you begin to

1050
00:37:14,150 --> 00:37:12,640
be exposed to these other topics and

1051
00:37:15,030 --> 00:37:14,160
that's how it happened to me

1052
00:37:18,950 --> 00:37:15,040
uh

1053
00:37:21,670 --> 00:37:18,960
with topics like ufos and you know other

1054
00:37:23,589 --> 00:37:21,680
phenomena you know ghosts and bigfoot

1055
00:37:25,510 --> 00:37:23,599
and things like this

1056
00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:25,520
that you hear very credible stories from

1057
00:37:28,470 --> 00:37:26,880
these people and they say you know i've

1058
00:37:30,310 --> 00:37:28,480
never really told this to anyone before

1059
00:37:31,670 --> 00:37:30,320
but here we are at lunch during the rv

1060
00:37:33,750 --> 00:37:31,680
class and they share a story in here

1061
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:33,760
goes wow you know that's really

1062
00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:35,040
something and they have to be someone

1063
00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:36,480
who had a security clearance or

1064
00:37:40,550 --> 00:37:38,640
something they have credibility right

1065
00:37:42,790 --> 00:37:40,560
and then you realize there are a lot of

1066
00:37:44,550 --> 00:37:42,800
these people out there there's a lot of

1067
00:37:47,030 --> 00:37:44,560
witnesses out there who've never come

1068
00:37:49,349 --> 00:37:47,040
forward because they're afraid for some

1069
00:37:52,310 --> 00:37:49,359
reason to share their story but around

1070
00:37:54,870 --> 00:37:52,320
you and the rv group they're not so so

1071
00:37:57,510 --> 00:37:54,880
to answer your question it just changes

1072
00:37:59,990 --> 00:37:57,520
in the sense that

1073
00:38:02,230 --> 00:38:00,000
one you begin to be exposed to a lot of

1074
00:38:04,069 --> 00:38:02,240
other phenomena from credible witnesses

1075
00:38:05,670 --> 00:38:04,079
and two you begin to wonder andy

1076
00:38:07,510 --> 00:38:05,680
honestly what in the world is the

1077
00:38:09,030 --> 00:38:07,520
science behind how this works how does

1078
00:38:11,589 --> 00:38:09,040
information flow

1079
00:38:13,109 --> 00:38:11,599
from somewhere over there to you without

1080
00:38:14,470 --> 00:38:13,119
seeming to go through the intervening

1081
00:38:17,190 --> 00:38:14,480
space

1082
00:38:18,790 --> 00:38:17,200
so you begin to question the larger

1083
00:38:21,270 --> 00:38:18,800
sense of reality that we have you know

1084
00:38:23,670 --> 00:38:21,280
scientifically uh what what sort of

1085
00:38:25,430 --> 00:38:23,680
science would you need to explain how

1086
00:38:26,710 --> 00:38:25,440
this works so i think that's those are

1087
00:38:28,630 --> 00:38:26,720
two ways that

1088
00:38:30,630 --> 00:38:28,640
it never really stops basically once you

1089
00:38:32,470 --> 00:38:30,640
start going down this path and you see

1090
00:38:34,710 --> 00:38:32,480
that you can do this

1091
00:38:38,630 --> 00:38:34,720
and uh it's a sort of a normal thing to

1092
00:38:40,710 --> 00:38:38,640
be able to view and get these sort of uh

1093
00:38:43,030 --> 00:38:40,720
non-local perceptions and describe them

1094
00:38:45,109 --> 00:38:43,040
accurately you begin to

1095
00:38:47,190 --> 00:38:45,119
be open to other topics too

1096
00:38:48,550 --> 00:38:47,200
sure and other and begin to question

1097
00:38:51,430 --> 00:38:48,560
science just like a lot of people are

1098
00:38:53,430 --> 00:38:51,440
questioning quantum mechanics right now

1099
00:38:55,829 --> 00:38:53,440
you can see it every day

1100
00:38:57,349 --> 00:38:55,839
online someone with a lot of experience

1101
00:38:59,589 --> 00:38:57,359
saying well how does it really work

1102
00:39:01,109 --> 00:38:59,599
what's the theory behind it so

1103
00:39:03,430 --> 00:39:01,119
and that's all it takes and you

1104
00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:03,440
mentioned you know it's strange to think

1105
00:39:08,230 --> 00:39:05,920
how can information get from that place

1106
00:39:10,390 --> 00:39:08,240
over there to me with with nothing in

1107
00:39:12,710 --> 00:39:10,400
between physical you know interacting to

1108
00:39:15,349 --> 00:39:12,720
give me that information but you think

1109
00:39:17,349 --> 00:39:15,359
of like my phone and my internet hub or

1110
00:39:18,870 --> 00:39:17,359
you know the wi-fi connection my house

1111
00:39:20,790 --> 00:39:18,880
there's nothing between them sending the

1112
00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:20,800
information yet here it is on my phone

1113
00:39:24,230 --> 00:39:22,720
and there's data going back and forward

1114
00:39:25,750 --> 00:39:24,240
and there's packet loss and data

1115
00:39:27,910 --> 00:39:25,760
dropping out and

1116
00:39:29,670 --> 00:39:27,920
you know that that's just another way it

1117
00:39:31,510 --> 00:39:29,680
happens you know it's frequencies and so

1118
00:39:33,670 --> 00:39:31,520
why couldn't it happen from you know

1119
00:39:35,190 --> 00:39:33,680
from a brain to to another point or

1120
00:39:36,310 --> 00:39:35,200
whatever if it's all bouncing about in

1121
00:39:38,069 --> 00:39:36,320
the air then

1122
00:39:40,710 --> 00:39:38,079
it's just just another way of getting

1123
00:39:42,470 --> 00:39:40,720
getting information across

1124
00:39:44,150 --> 00:39:42,480
no that's a really good point i mean we

1125
00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:44,160
already accept this

1126
00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:45,760
in our technology right we're having a

1127
00:39:49,510 --> 00:39:48,000
conversation right now across a large

1128
00:39:51,270 --> 00:39:49,520
distance

1129
00:39:53,990 --> 00:39:51,280
and it's almost like you're in the room

1130
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:54,000
with me it's that clear right yeah and a

1131
00:39:57,750 --> 00:39:55,200
hundred years ago no one would have

1132
00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:57,760
believed that in a few hundred years

1133
00:40:01,349 --> 00:39:59,040
before that they would have thought you

1134
00:40:02,069 --> 00:40:01,359
were practicing witchcraft

1135
00:40:03,990 --> 00:40:02,079
so

1136
00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:04,000
it's it's this very valid point is we

1137
00:40:09,510 --> 00:40:06,880
that that sort of quantum reality the

1138
00:40:12,150 --> 00:40:09,520
way information moves you know at the

1139
00:40:13,750 --> 00:40:12,160
speed of light across large distances

1140
00:40:16,309 --> 00:40:13,760
already exists

1141
00:40:18,309 --> 00:40:16,319
but for some reason we feel that we need

1142
00:40:20,309 --> 00:40:18,319
machines to do that right

1143
00:40:22,390 --> 00:40:20,319
we need some

1144
00:40:24,550 --> 00:40:22,400
physical machine to create that

1145
00:40:25,750 --> 00:40:24,560
communication to

1146
00:40:28,230 --> 00:40:25,760
connect

1147
00:40:29,589 --> 00:40:28,240
to those quantum properties

1148
00:40:33,069 --> 00:40:29,599
that allow

1149
00:40:35,750 --> 00:40:33,079
for particles to share information

1150
00:40:37,190 --> 00:40:35,760
instantaneously at a distance and all of

1151
00:40:38,950 --> 00:40:37,200
the other sort of weird quantum

1152
00:40:41,349 --> 00:40:38,960
properties quantum tunneling things like

1153
00:40:43,430 --> 00:40:41,359
this that allow our electronics to work

1154
00:40:45,750 --> 00:40:43,440
that explain how they work

1155
00:40:47,910 --> 00:40:45,760
but for some reason when it comes to us

1156
00:40:49,589 --> 00:40:47,920
we have a very limited idea of our

1157
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:49,599
abilities and capabilities i mean don't

1158
00:40:52,710 --> 00:40:50,640
you think

1159
00:40:54,710 --> 00:40:52,720
yeah and i love a marvel analogy and

1160
00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:54,720
it's like when you watch thor and

1161
00:40:58,150 --> 00:40:56,400
there's one at one of the movies where

1162
00:40:59,990 --> 00:40:58,160
thor loses his hammer and he tells his

1163
00:41:01,750 --> 00:41:00,000
dad well i don't have my power anymore

1164
00:41:03,190 --> 00:41:01,760
and his dad tells him well the hammer

1165
00:41:04,950 --> 00:41:03,200
was not for the power you're the source

1166
00:41:06,950 --> 00:41:04,960
of the power the hammer was just a way

1167
00:41:09,030 --> 00:41:06,960
to harness it you've got the power on

1168
00:41:10,950 --> 00:41:09,040
you and thor realizes that wait a minute

1169
00:41:12,630 --> 00:41:10,960
i've had me all along and that that's

1170
00:41:14,630 --> 00:41:12,640
all it is it's just a way to channel it

1171
00:41:18,069 --> 00:41:14,640
so so yeah i can i can totally

1172
00:41:21,670 --> 00:41:19,109
it's a good

1173
00:41:24,150 --> 00:41:21,680
it's good analogy marvel explains

1174
00:41:26,069 --> 00:41:24,160
a range of things for me so

1175
00:41:28,390 --> 00:41:26,079
no it does because we can accept things

1176
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:28,400
in comic books right yeah and we can

1177
00:41:31,589 --> 00:41:30,000
accept we can accept things when we

1178
00:41:35,109 --> 00:41:31,599
believe it's fiction

1179
00:41:37,270 --> 00:41:35,119
but we've all had this conditioning from

1180
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:37,280
the time we're very young i mean it

1181
00:41:39,910 --> 00:41:38,640
really starts at a very young age

1182
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:39,920
doesn't it

1183
00:41:44,470 --> 00:41:43,200
uh to be told that what is real and what

1184
00:41:46,309 --> 00:41:44,480
isn't real i mean a lot of young

1185
00:41:47,750 --> 00:41:46,319
children have like imaginary friends and

1186
00:41:50,230 --> 00:41:47,760
things like this

1187
00:41:51,910 --> 00:41:50,240
and experiences and then they're told

1188
00:41:53,750 --> 00:41:51,920
that that's just you know that was just

1189
00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:53,760
your imagination johnny that wasn't you

1190
00:41:56,710 --> 00:41:55,280
know it wasn't real and we hear this

1191
00:41:58,230 --> 00:41:56,720
over and over again and eventually by

1192
00:42:00,230 --> 00:41:58,240
the time we're adults we

1193
00:42:02,790 --> 00:42:00,240
we're like really dulled down aren't we

1194
00:42:05,430 --> 00:42:02,800
to not look at these things anymore

1195
00:42:08,309 --> 00:42:05,440
uh and so it's kind of it's a cultural

1196
00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:08,319
conditioning process that

1197
00:42:14,309 --> 00:42:11,040
teaches us that those things are real in

1198
00:42:17,430 --> 00:42:14,319
fiction but it's not true in reality but

1199
00:42:19,990 --> 00:42:17,440
then science comes along and technology

1200
00:42:21,750 --> 00:42:20,000
and events things that seem would have

1201
00:42:23,430 --> 00:42:21,760
seemed to people in the past like magic

1202
00:42:25,030 --> 00:42:23,440
like this would have seemed like some

1203
00:42:26,630 --> 00:42:25,040
sort of sorcery right we could we could

1204
00:42:28,230 --> 00:42:26,640
have been burned at the stake andy for

1205
00:42:31,349 --> 00:42:28,240
doing what we're doing right now

1206
00:42:33,510 --> 00:42:31,359
in the past so think so things change

1207
00:42:34,950 --> 00:42:33,520
and eventually we begin to accept that

1208
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:34,960
magic is real

1209
00:42:37,750 --> 00:42:36,480
and they're still cultural

1210
00:42:39,109 --> 00:42:37,760
yeah there's still cultures on the

1211
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:39,119
planet that would burn you at the stake

1212
00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:41,040
or you know at least execute you for for

1213
00:42:43,750 --> 00:42:42,720
doing what we are doing now as well so

1214
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:43,760
you know

1215
00:42:49,270 --> 00:42:47,040
right now in 2020 as we understand it

1216
00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:49,280
something you've touched on is you know

1217
00:42:53,190 --> 00:42:51,280
this whole idea of resonance viewing and

1218
00:42:55,589 --> 00:42:53,200
all these different phenomenas

1219
00:42:57,190 --> 00:42:55,599
more and more it seems to get tied into

1220
00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:57,200
consciousness

1221
00:43:03,910 --> 00:42:59,280
what's your perception or how would you

1222
00:43:08,230 --> 00:43:05,589
yes no consciousness is like the big

1223
00:43:10,390 --> 00:43:08,240
question isn't it and uh

1224
00:43:13,430 --> 00:43:10,400
there's a i think a

1225
00:43:14,870 --> 00:43:13,440
bias here to believe that consciousness

1226
00:43:16,950 --> 00:43:14,880
is

1227
00:43:18,309 --> 00:43:16,960
sort of

1228
00:43:20,069 --> 00:43:18,319
well there's a couple aspects to it but

1229
00:43:22,870 --> 00:43:20,079
the consciousness is

1230
00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:22,880
sort of a human thing mainly

1231
00:43:28,150 --> 00:43:26,480
and i think what rv shows you is that

1232
00:43:30,230 --> 00:43:28,160
everything is conscious that

1233
00:43:32,150 --> 00:43:30,240
consciousness is more like a field that

1234
00:43:34,309 --> 00:43:32,160
pervades

1235
00:43:35,829 --> 00:43:34,319
space and time rather than being

1236
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:35,839
confined to your brain

1237
00:43:40,069 --> 00:43:38,160
and you know we hear a lot about

1238
00:43:42,230 --> 00:43:40,079
neuroscience these days and if you read

1239
00:43:44,309 --> 00:43:42,240
any science magazines so there's oh so

1240
00:43:46,309 --> 00:43:44,319
much going on in neuroscience about

1241
00:43:47,349 --> 00:43:46,319
identifying parts of the brain what they

1242
00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:47,359
do

1243
00:43:50,790 --> 00:43:49,760
and there's almost this belief that

1244
00:43:54,390 --> 00:43:50,800
if we

1245
00:43:56,550 --> 00:43:54,400
you know drill down you know in a sense

1246
00:43:57,670 --> 00:43:56,560
to the smallest level we'll find out

1247
00:43:59,510 --> 00:43:57,680
what consciousness is like it's

1248
00:44:02,470 --> 00:43:59,520
somewhere in you

1249
00:44:04,630 --> 00:44:02,480
and we'll find it in the brain somewhere

1250
00:44:06,950 --> 00:44:04,640
and to this so far no one's found it in

1251
00:44:09,270 --> 00:44:06,960
the brain

1252
00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:09,280
it doesn't seem to you know

1253
00:44:13,109 --> 00:44:11,280
you you you're aware of this because

1254
00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:13,119
when you have feelings and thoughts and

1255
00:44:16,470 --> 00:44:15,040
things you're aware that you're having

1256
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:16,480
those feelings and thoughts that's

1257
00:44:20,470 --> 00:44:18,480
really sort of what separates you from a

1258
00:44:22,550 --> 00:44:20,480
lot of other living things on the planet

1259
00:44:24,390 --> 00:44:22,560
is this sort of awareness that you're

1260
00:44:26,390 --> 00:44:24,400
feeling one way or another you can kind

1261
00:44:28,390 --> 00:44:26,400
of take a step back from it so the

1262
00:44:30,630 --> 00:44:28,400
question is who's doing that who's

1263
00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:30,640
taking the step back from your brain

1264
00:44:33,829 --> 00:44:32,160
so you have to be more than your brain

1265
00:44:36,069 --> 00:44:33,839
right

1266
00:44:37,829 --> 00:44:36,079
it's sort of uh you know headlights

1267
00:44:39,270 --> 00:44:37,839
don't illuminate themselves they

1268
00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:39,280
illuminate something that's in front of

1269
00:44:41,750 --> 00:44:40,880
the car they really can't see how they

1270
00:44:43,589 --> 00:44:41,760
work

1271
00:44:46,230 --> 00:44:43,599
so there's always some aspect of it

1272
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:46,240
that's beyond the mechanistic model so

1273
00:44:50,150 --> 00:44:47,760
that's really what it suggests to us is

1274
00:44:51,030 --> 00:44:50,160
that consciousness is non-local whatever

1275
00:44:52,710 --> 00:44:51,040
it is

1276
00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:52,720
and it may be so fundamental that it's

1277
00:44:55,589 --> 00:44:54,160
almost hard to talk about because

1278
00:44:56,790 --> 00:44:55,599
there's nowhere that it isn't and if

1279
00:44:57,990 --> 00:44:56,800
there's nowhere that it isn't it's

1280
00:44:58,950 --> 00:44:58,000
really hard to

1281
00:45:01,030 --> 00:44:58,960
kind of

1282
00:45:03,030 --> 00:45:01,040
pick it out from everything else

1283
00:45:05,750 --> 00:45:03,040
but it certainly raises questions

1284
00:45:07,829 --> 00:45:05,760
whether it's not as local as it looks

1285
00:45:11,910 --> 00:45:07,839
and and you know science really is

1286
00:45:14,309 --> 00:45:11,920
attached to this idea of locality and uh

1287
00:45:16,230 --> 00:45:14,319
this shows us that there's a non-local

1288
00:45:17,910 --> 00:45:16,240
component just like quantum mechanics

1289
00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:17,920
tells us actually it's not surprising is

1290
00:45:20,230 --> 00:45:18,960
it

1291
00:45:21,750 --> 00:45:20,240
no

1292
00:45:24,309 --> 00:45:21,760
i saw someone suggest on twitter

1293
00:45:25,589 --> 00:45:24,319
recently and it was i i don't think it

1294
00:45:26,950 --> 00:45:25,599
was original and it may be something

1295
00:45:28,950 --> 00:45:26,960
you've heard before but it was the first

1296
00:45:30,550 --> 00:45:28,960
time i'd heard it that the brain

1297
00:45:32,309 --> 00:45:30,560
potentially is a receiver of

1298
00:45:34,470 --> 00:45:32,319
consciousness and it's not where it's

1299
00:45:36,150 --> 00:45:34,480
generated or when it's kept but it's

1300
00:45:38,550 --> 00:45:36,160
almost like you know if you want to

1301
00:45:40,230 --> 00:45:38,560
think of avatar where something's been

1302
00:45:41,829 --> 00:45:40,240
beamed into another mechanism like a

1303
00:45:44,069 --> 00:45:41,839
biological well you know we're just

1304
00:45:45,750 --> 00:45:44,079
radios receiving a signal from elsewhere

1305
00:45:48,069 --> 00:45:45,760
and you experience consciousness and

1306
00:45:49,589 --> 00:45:48,079
whatever we perceive as reality through

1307
00:45:53,270 --> 00:45:49,599
through the signal and i just thought

1308
00:45:57,670 --> 00:45:56,630
yeah it's something more like that um

1309
00:45:59,750 --> 00:45:57,680
is

1310
00:46:01,670 --> 00:45:59,760
when i was a kid really young kid i used

1311
00:46:02,950 --> 00:46:01,680
to build crystal radios

1312
00:46:05,349 --> 00:46:02,960
there's a store here in the states

1313
00:46:07,109 --> 00:46:05,359
called radio shack there was

1314
00:46:08,710 --> 00:46:07,119
it's no longer around physically as a

1315
00:46:09,910 --> 00:46:08,720
store i think they still have a website

1316
00:46:11,510 --> 00:46:09,920
but i was really interested in

1317
00:46:13,670 --> 00:46:11,520
electronics as a kid

1318
00:46:14,470 --> 00:46:13,680
and i would build these kits you know

1319
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:14,480
and

1320
00:46:22,390 --> 00:46:20,880
this kit allowed you to build a crystal

1321
00:46:24,950 --> 00:46:22,400
radio which

1322
00:46:26,950 --> 00:46:24,960
used a crystal to receive am radio

1323
00:46:29,670 --> 00:46:26,960
signals with no battery and i was

1324
00:46:31,190 --> 00:46:29,680
astounded about you put the earpiece in

1325
00:46:33,030 --> 00:46:31,200
you'd hear the radio station only the

1326
00:46:34,550 --> 00:46:33,040
strongest in your area

1327
00:46:35,829 --> 00:46:34,560
and there it was with no battery it was

1328
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:35,839
incredible

1329
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:38,560
and so it kind of shows us that there's

1330
00:46:41,589 --> 00:46:40,560
this kind of non-local component to

1331
00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:41,599
things

1332
00:46:44,390 --> 00:46:42,720
um

1333
00:46:45,910 --> 00:46:44,400
and yeah i mean in terms of

1334
00:46:48,230 --> 00:46:45,920
consciousness it's

1335
00:46:50,390 --> 00:46:48,240
more like we're receiving a signal

1336
00:46:51,589 --> 00:46:50,400
around like a certain frequency and when

1337
00:46:52,950 --> 00:46:51,599
you're on the same you know kind of what

1338
00:46:55,030 --> 00:46:52,960
we're talking about before resonance

1339
00:46:56,710 --> 00:46:55,040
when you're on the same frequency as

1340
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:56,720
other things

1341
00:47:00,630 --> 00:46:58,800
the information spontaneously flows just

1342
00:47:02,550 --> 00:47:00,640
like it would in a crystal radio i mean

1343
00:47:05,030 --> 00:47:02,560
that's the analogy i've always used to

1344
00:47:06,710 --> 00:47:05,040
explain rv just like a crystal radio it

1345
00:47:09,750 --> 00:47:06,720
didn't need a battery

1346
00:47:11,829 --> 00:47:09,760
the signal itself had enough energy to

1347
00:47:13,349 --> 00:47:11,839
transmit and move around

1348
00:47:15,109 --> 00:47:13,359
now again we're not talking about

1349
00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:15,119
electromagnetic signals kind of like

1350
00:47:19,510 --> 00:47:17,440
radio but i think the analogy really

1351
00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:19,520
holds and quantum mechanics tells us

1352
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:21,359
that everything has a natural resonance

1353
00:47:25,510 --> 00:47:23,280
to it that everything has frequency

1354
00:47:27,990 --> 00:47:25,520
that's the basis of quantum mechanics

1355
00:47:29,670 --> 00:47:28,000
going all the way back to the black body

1356
00:47:30,870 --> 00:47:29,680
radiation experiments of plank and

1357
00:47:32,790 --> 00:47:30,880
einstein

1358
00:47:35,109 --> 00:47:32,800
uh you know over 100 years ago that led

1359
00:47:36,870 --> 00:47:35,119
to the creation of quantum mechanics is

1360
00:47:38,549 --> 00:47:36,880
that there's certain frequencies but

1361
00:47:40,309 --> 00:47:38,559
it's not continuous it comes in these

1362
00:47:41,750 --> 00:47:40,319
quantum packets

1363
00:47:44,150 --> 00:47:41,760
i mean that's what created quantum

1364
00:47:45,829 --> 00:47:44,160
mechanics is the notion of resonance to

1365
00:47:47,670 --> 00:47:45,839
begin with so

1366
00:47:50,549 --> 00:47:47,680
um

1367
00:47:51,750 --> 00:47:50,559
so yeah it consciousness is a really

1368
00:47:53,829 --> 00:47:51,760
important part of it but let me flip it

1369
00:47:55,430 --> 00:47:53,839
around for a second too andy on the

1370
00:47:57,270 --> 00:47:55,440
other way look at it

1371
00:48:00,390 --> 00:47:57,280
rv also suggests that we're not as

1372
00:48:02,710 --> 00:48:00,400
conscious as we think we are

1373
00:48:04,790 --> 00:48:02,720
and that's the really astounding part

1374
00:48:07,030 --> 00:48:04,800
about it too

1375
00:48:08,710 --> 00:48:07,040
is that

1376
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:08,720
we're brought up to think that we're

1377
00:48:13,349 --> 00:48:11,280
conscious and aware of what's going on

1378
00:48:15,030 --> 00:48:13,359
and guess what rv

1379
00:48:16,710 --> 00:48:15,040
talks about and this is really

1380
00:48:18,870 --> 00:48:16,720
illustrated well in this book called the

1381
00:48:24,630 --> 00:48:18,880
user illusion

1382
00:48:27,990 --> 00:48:24,640
it's a book i found in in the 90s a long

1383
00:48:29,510 --> 00:48:28,000
time ago i think it was before rv

1384
00:48:31,109 --> 00:48:29,520
uh and

1385
00:48:33,430 --> 00:48:31,119
it was about how we're not really as

1386
00:48:35,190 --> 00:48:33,440
conscious as we think in fact

1387
00:48:37,430 --> 00:48:35,200
what we consider to be

1388
00:48:39,190 --> 00:48:37,440
conscious information you know

1389
00:48:42,069 --> 00:48:39,200
our awareness right now the room around

1390
00:48:44,390 --> 00:48:42,079
us and things in our vicinity

1391
00:48:46,710 --> 00:48:44,400
is a tiny fraction of a percent of all

1392
00:48:48,790 --> 00:48:46,720
the information that's aware that we're

1393
00:48:50,390 --> 00:48:48,800
actually aware of and ingo swan was

1394
00:48:51,990 --> 00:48:50,400
actually a big fan of this book too as

1395
00:48:54,630 --> 00:48:52,000
we found out later when he gave us a

1396
00:48:55,910 --> 00:48:54,640
presentation in 2002 in austin texas at

1397
00:48:58,309 --> 00:48:55,920
the irv i mean he brought up this book

1398
00:48:59,109 --> 00:48:58,319
the user illusion i said hey i know that

1399
00:49:01,829 --> 00:48:59,119
book

1400
00:49:03,910 --> 00:49:01,839
i guess it's not coincidence is it uh

1401
00:49:06,549 --> 00:49:03,920
that book said that

1402
00:49:10,870 --> 00:49:06,559
what we consider to be consciousness

1403
00:49:14,069 --> 00:49:10,880
is about i think on the order of 16 bits

1404
00:49:16,470 --> 00:49:14,079
out of 40 million every second something

1405
00:49:18,069 --> 00:49:16,480
like that a tiny fraction of a percent a

1406
00:49:20,710 --> 00:49:18,079
few thousandths of a percent of all

1407
00:49:22,390 --> 00:49:20,720
information that's why rv really works

1408
00:49:25,109 --> 00:49:22,400
is you're actually

1409
00:49:26,950 --> 00:49:25,119
aware of a lot more than in your

1410
00:49:28,790 --> 00:49:26,960
consciousness

1411
00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:28,800
it's because of the idea of the lemon

1412
00:49:33,349 --> 00:49:32,160
subliminal you know this idea that

1413
00:49:35,430 --> 00:49:33,359
uh

1414
00:49:38,630 --> 00:49:35,440
what we consider to be our conscious

1415
00:49:40,950 --> 00:49:38,640
awareness is a tiny fraction of reality

1416
00:49:42,950 --> 00:49:40,960
and that in itself is a really profound

1417
00:49:44,870 --> 00:49:42,960
idea right is that what we consider to

1418
00:49:46,470 --> 00:49:44,880
be reality is just a tiny fraction of

1419
00:49:49,670 --> 00:49:46,480
everything that's out there and that's

1420
00:49:51,510 --> 00:49:49,680
another big takeaway from rv is that

1421
00:49:54,069 --> 00:49:51,520
we're not as conscious as we think we

1422
00:49:55,430 --> 00:49:54,079
are because most of it's in another part

1423
00:49:57,510 --> 00:49:55,440
of our awareness that some people call

1424
00:49:58,790 --> 00:49:57,520
the subconscious or you could call the

1425
00:50:00,470 --> 00:49:58,800
unconscious i mean there's different

1426
00:50:02,230 --> 00:50:00,480
ways of looking at it but the

1427
00:50:03,670 --> 00:50:02,240
information is there

1428
00:50:05,990 --> 00:50:03,680
but you're not

1429
00:50:08,150 --> 00:50:06,000
you're not aware that you have it and

1430
00:50:09,510 --> 00:50:08,160
that's what rv sort of does is it allows

1431
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:09,520
you to become a little more sensitive

1432
00:50:12,470 --> 00:50:10,800
and look in different places in your

1433
00:50:14,150 --> 00:50:12,480
awareness so

1434
00:50:15,990 --> 00:50:14,160
on one hand yeah

1435
00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:16,000
consciousness is this non-local thing

1436
00:50:19,589 --> 00:50:18,240
that pervades space time on another

1437
00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:19,599
level

1438
00:50:22,790 --> 00:50:21,359
talking about our own personal

1439
00:50:24,630 --> 00:50:22,800
consciousness we're not as conscious as

1440
00:50:27,910 --> 00:50:24,640
we think we are

1441
00:50:32,470 --> 00:50:30,390
a mind-blowing subject that

1442
00:50:34,230 --> 00:50:32,480
you you take it in isolation it's a

1443
00:50:36,069 --> 00:50:34,240
really simple thing to talk about and it

1444
00:50:37,750 --> 00:50:36,079
just gets bigger and bigger and bigger

1445
00:50:39,430 --> 00:50:37,760
to bring it crashing back down to

1446
00:50:42,150 --> 00:50:39,440
reality something you touched on a

1447
00:50:44,549 --> 00:50:42,160
little while ago some was um the

1448
00:50:47,109 --> 00:50:44,559
governments and you talked about that do

1449
00:50:48,630 --> 00:50:47,119
you think the us or other governments do

1450
00:50:51,270 --> 00:50:48,640
still use

1451
00:50:54,069 --> 00:50:51,280
resonance viewing uh for any particular

1452
00:50:56,390 --> 00:50:54,079
reasons

1453
00:50:58,150 --> 00:50:56,400
i would be surprised if they didn't and

1454
00:50:59,910 --> 00:50:58,160
and the reason is let's just go back

1455
00:51:02,790 --> 00:50:59,920
historically

1456
00:51:04,390 --> 00:51:02,800
before the us was doing it the

1457
00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:04,400
soviet union had

1458
00:51:07,670 --> 00:51:06,160
very extensive programs in psychic

1459
00:51:09,030 --> 00:51:07,680
research

1460
00:51:10,710 --> 00:51:09,040
there's a great book about it called

1461
00:51:11,829 --> 00:51:10,720
psychic discoveries behind the iron

1462
00:51:14,069 --> 00:51:11,839
curtain

1463
00:51:16,069 --> 00:51:14,079
uh from you know a couple

1464
00:51:18,230 --> 00:51:16,079
20 years ago or so and

1465
00:51:19,910 --> 00:51:18,240
we know that's how the us sort of found

1466
00:51:20,710 --> 00:51:19,920
out about it is the soviets were doing

1467
00:51:22,549 --> 00:51:20,720
it

1468
00:51:23,910 --> 00:51:22,559
first and they were concerned that they

1469
00:51:26,150 --> 00:51:23,920
would have you know there's going to be

1470
00:51:28,470 --> 00:51:26,160
this sputnik moment where they developed

1471
00:51:30,390 --> 00:51:28,480
this psychic espionage warfare you know

1472
00:51:32,790 --> 00:51:30,400
the communist party the soviet union was

1473
00:51:35,430 --> 00:51:32,800
going to get us with their psychics

1474
00:51:38,309 --> 00:51:35,440
and they had extensive

1475
00:51:41,670 --> 00:51:38,319
programs going which led the us to do it

1476
00:51:44,390 --> 00:51:41,680
too but not only soviet union but china

1477
00:51:47,510 --> 00:51:44,400
had extensive psychic

1478
00:51:51,990 --> 00:51:49,670
sort of programs to

1479
00:51:54,069 --> 00:51:52,000
find the natural psychics in their

1480
00:51:56,069 --> 00:51:54,079
population of a billion people at the

1481
00:51:58,549 --> 00:51:56,079
time they they would scour the

1482
00:52:00,790 --> 00:51:58,559
countryside first natural psychics kids

1483
00:52:03,589 --> 00:52:00,800
that had natural psychic ability

1484
00:52:06,150 --> 00:52:03,599
so it really was uh

1485
00:52:08,790 --> 00:52:06,160
you know countries that the us

1486
00:52:10,549 --> 00:52:08,800
at the time considered adversaries that

1487
00:52:12,470 --> 00:52:10,559
they had this thing that they could

1488
00:52:13,349 --> 00:52:12,480
weaponize that

1489
00:52:14,710 --> 00:52:13,359
we

1490
00:52:16,710 --> 00:52:14,720
had to have it too

1491
00:52:18,710 --> 00:52:16,720
so in that context i would be surprised

1492
00:52:21,750 --> 00:52:18,720
since it really does work if somebody

1493
00:52:23,589 --> 00:52:21,760
isn't using it in some way

1494
00:52:25,589 --> 00:52:23,599
it could have been outsourced now

1495
00:52:27,270 --> 00:52:25,599
privatized i don't have any direct

1496
00:52:28,069 --> 00:52:27,280
information that the us government is

1497
00:52:30,150 --> 00:52:28,079
still

1498
00:52:31,349 --> 00:52:30,160
has an active program i mean i don't

1499
00:52:33,510 --> 00:52:31,359
know about that everyone i've asked

1500
00:52:35,589 --> 00:52:33,520
about it this comes up a lot at the rv

1501
00:52:37,430 --> 00:52:35,599
meetings and so forth and the consensus

1502
00:52:39,030 --> 00:52:37,440
seems to be they probably still do have

1503
00:52:41,589 --> 00:52:39,040
it but it's under a different name now

1504
00:52:43,190 --> 00:52:41,599
and it could have been privatized in

1505
00:52:44,630 --> 00:52:43,200
some way so that they're not doing it

1506
00:52:46,870 --> 00:52:44,640
directly they can say we don't do it

1507
00:52:48,630 --> 00:52:46,880
anymore and you know some company does

1508
00:52:50,710 --> 00:52:48,640
it for them

1509
00:52:53,109 --> 00:52:50,720
as with a lot of things in this topic

1510
00:52:54,470 --> 00:52:53,119
and i suppose that takes us on nicely to

1511
00:52:57,990 --> 00:52:54,480
there's more and more of a connection

1512
00:53:00,549 --> 00:52:58,000
now between consciousness and ufos the

1513
00:53:03,750 --> 00:53:00,559
uap phenomenon um

1514
00:53:05,510 --> 00:53:03,760
what's your take on ats

1515
00:53:07,589 --> 00:53:05,520
do you think multi-dimensional

1516
00:53:11,109 --> 00:53:07,599
interdimensional a mix of we've got

1517
00:53:13,990 --> 00:53:11,119
beings going from planet to planet

1518
00:53:15,270 --> 00:53:14,000
yeah that's the big question isn't it

1519
00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:15,280
it's something

1520
00:53:19,990 --> 00:53:17,520
andy it's definitely something

1521
00:53:21,430 --> 00:53:20,000
and it's been around for a while

1522
00:53:23,270 --> 00:53:21,440
what this is

1523
00:53:25,510 --> 00:53:23,280
i don't think anyone

1524
00:53:28,390 --> 00:53:25,520
totally unknows or understands yet but

1525
00:53:30,790 --> 00:53:28,400
it's bigger than we can understand and

1526
00:53:34,309 --> 00:53:30,800
it's there and it shows up

1527
00:53:35,349 --> 00:53:34,319
and is it you know a range of phenomena

1528
00:53:36,950 --> 00:53:35,359
like

1529
00:53:39,670 --> 00:53:36,960
you've just described

1530
00:53:42,230 --> 00:53:39,680
all you know answer e all of the above

1531
00:53:43,910 --> 00:53:42,240
yeah probably something like that and i

1532
00:53:46,309 --> 00:53:43,920
don't think that's a cop-out it's just

1533
00:53:48,309 --> 00:53:46,319
that these objects and the experiences

1534
00:53:49,510 --> 00:53:48,319
that people have around them

1535
00:53:52,069 --> 00:53:49,520
there's such

1536
00:53:54,150 --> 00:53:52,079
an amount of variation

1537
00:53:56,549 --> 00:53:54,160
and diversity in

1538
00:53:57,510 --> 00:53:56,559
ufo et contact experiences that people

1539
00:53:59,589 --> 00:53:57,520
have

1540
00:54:01,190 --> 00:53:59,599
not all the time sometimes these crafts

1541
00:54:02,790 --> 00:54:01,200
seem to show up a couple of years later

1542
00:54:03,750 --> 00:54:02,800
the exact same craft in another part of

1543
00:54:05,670 --> 00:54:03,760
the world

1544
00:54:07,589 --> 00:54:05,680
which you know makes you wonder what

1545
00:54:09,270 --> 00:54:07,599
what is going on there over two

1546
00:54:11,750 --> 00:54:09,280
different rural areas on the opposite

1547
00:54:13,829 --> 00:54:11,760
side of the globe

1548
00:54:15,510 --> 00:54:13,839
but going back to our discussion you

1549
00:54:17,829 --> 00:54:15,520
know at the beginning about means and

1550
00:54:19,430 --> 00:54:17,839
variances it doesn't have a mean and it

1551
00:54:21,589 --> 00:54:19,440
doesn't have variances

1552
00:54:24,150 --> 00:54:21,599
it's really challenging to study some of

1553
00:54:26,470 --> 00:54:24,160
these craft might have characteristics

1554
00:54:28,710 --> 00:54:26,480
that have an envelope you know you could

1555
00:54:31,030 --> 00:54:28,720
describe their flight characteristics

1556
00:54:33,510 --> 00:54:31,040
but i mean just think about the range of

1557
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:33,520
experiences people have had ever since

1558
00:54:39,030 --> 00:54:36,000
the 1890s at least in this country we

1559
00:54:40,630 --> 00:54:39,040
had the airships you know

1560
00:54:42,710 --> 00:54:40,640
and i visited some of these sites where

1561
00:54:45,829 --> 00:54:42,720
the airships uh

1562
00:54:48,549 --> 00:54:45,839
showed up uh there there were some in an

1563
00:54:50,630 --> 00:54:48,559
area where i was out in dublin texas i

1564
00:54:52,150 --> 00:54:50,640
was filming with the history channel

1565
00:54:52,950 --> 00:54:52,160
for that uh

1566
00:54:54,230 --> 00:54:52,960
for

1567
00:55:00,789 --> 00:54:54,240
the

1568
00:55:03,109 --> 00:55:00,799
at you know stevensville texas ufo

1569
00:55:05,270 --> 00:55:03,119
incident yeah and uh well i got to talk

1570
00:55:07,430 --> 00:55:05,280
to people in dublin texas and there

1571
00:55:10,069 --> 00:55:07,440
there had been airships seen there there

1572
00:55:11,510 --> 00:55:10,079
had been some that came very low they

1573
00:55:13,109 --> 00:55:11,520
even got the newspaper articles for me

1574
00:55:15,349 --> 00:55:13,119
from the 1890s

1575
00:55:17,190 --> 00:55:15,359
you know before aurora it was before the

1576
00:55:19,910 --> 00:55:17,200
aurora texas incident so it goes all the

1577
00:55:21,589 --> 00:55:19,920
way back to that to the present and

1578
00:55:23,349 --> 00:55:21,599
everything in between you know there's

1579
00:55:25,430 --> 00:55:23,359
so much history that you know you cover

1580
00:55:28,150 --> 00:55:25,440
on this podcast and some of your guests

1581
00:55:30,630 --> 00:55:28,160
have talked about such a huge topic

1582
00:55:32,710 --> 00:55:30,640
that it just suggests to me that what

1583
00:55:35,109 --> 00:55:32,720
you know this reality that we think

1584
00:55:38,630 --> 00:55:35,119
we're in this mainstream reality

1585
00:55:41,190 --> 00:55:38,640
is a little bubble in this huge

1586
00:55:43,910 --> 00:55:41,200
you know pond of reality

1587
00:55:46,230 --> 00:55:43,920
and it's almost so vast that it's you

1588
00:55:48,549 --> 00:55:46,240
can't quite wrap your mind around it in

1589
00:55:51,270 --> 00:55:48,559
fact that's an understatement

1590
00:55:54,789 --> 00:55:51,280
yes a lot of different subjects and they

1591
00:55:57,510 --> 00:55:54,799
seem to blend together sometimes

1592
00:55:59,349 --> 00:55:57,520
sometimes they're nuts and bolts craft

1593
00:56:01,990 --> 00:55:59,359
uh some of the witnesses i've talked to

1594
00:56:04,390 --> 00:56:02,000
you know it's been nuts and bolts stuff

1595
00:56:05,750 --> 00:56:04,400
and yet other times it seems more

1596
00:56:07,430 --> 00:56:05,760
amorphous

1597
00:56:08,870 --> 00:56:07,440
it seems to show up and then just

1598
00:56:10,230 --> 00:56:08,880
disappear

1599
00:56:11,589 --> 00:56:10,240
and then as some of your other guests

1600
00:56:13,510 --> 00:56:11,599
have talked about in the show and some

1601
00:56:15,270 --> 00:56:13,520
of the things you know i've studied many

1602
00:56:17,109 --> 00:56:15,280
people who look at these topics know

1603
00:56:18,870 --> 00:56:17,119
about it sort of brings along with it

1604
00:56:21,270 --> 00:56:18,880
other phenomena

1605
00:56:23,430 --> 00:56:21,280
and they're kind of grouped together so

1606
00:56:25,589 --> 00:56:23,440
to answer your question is it you know

1607
00:56:28,069 --> 00:56:25,599
e.t or multi-dimensional

1608
00:56:28,950 --> 00:56:28,079
i mean it's probably all of that but

1609
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:28,960
more

1610
00:56:34,789 --> 00:56:31,920
it's it's probably a bigger reality that

1611
00:56:37,109 --> 00:56:34,799
we're just sort of

1612
00:56:38,630 --> 00:56:37,119
we don't really have the ability to

1613
00:56:40,549 --> 00:56:38,640
perceive it directly

1614
00:56:41,670 --> 00:56:40,559
we just have these incidents that pop

1615
00:56:43,589 --> 00:56:41,680
through our reality kind of like

1616
00:56:46,549 --> 00:56:43,599
flatland you know edwin abbott that book

1617
00:56:48,390 --> 00:56:46,559
from the 1870s flatland where you know

1618
00:56:49,990 --> 00:56:48,400
people live on a table top surface and

1619
00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:50,000
they're two-dimensional and occasionally

1620
00:56:55,510 --> 00:56:53,040
these three-dimensional objects come in

1621
00:56:56,630 --> 00:56:55,520
it's a question really for physics

1622
00:56:58,630 --> 00:56:56,640
and

1623
00:57:00,789 --> 00:56:58,640
we haven't done a good job addressing it

1624
00:57:03,990 --> 00:57:00,799
because physics has been stuck you know

1625
00:57:05,510 --> 00:57:04,000
ever since the 1940s or 50s in a certain

1626
00:57:07,349 --> 00:57:05,520
kind of interpretation of quantum

1627
00:57:08,390 --> 00:57:07,359
mechanics and it's been very challenging

1628
00:57:09,990 --> 00:57:08,400
to

1629
00:57:12,069 --> 00:57:10,000
really

1630
00:57:14,309 --> 00:57:12,079
look at other interpretations of quantum

1631
00:57:16,390 --> 00:57:14,319
mechanics that would allow for these

1632
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:16,400
phenomena to exist right

1633
00:57:21,270 --> 00:57:19,200
absolutely i mean if i was ever going to

1634
00:57:22,789 --> 00:57:21,280
and i'd like to think one one day i will

1635
00:57:24,470 --> 00:57:22,799
it's one of those things that you put

1636
00:57:27,510 --> 00:57:24,480
off and put off because life gets in the

1637
00:57:29,750 --> 00:57:27,520
way uh if i ever wanted to practice

1638
00:57:31,270 --> 00:57:29,760
resonance viewing and you know have

1639
00:57:32,710 --> 00:57:31,280
targets and whatnot and you've heard

1640
00:57:34,870 --> 00:57:32,720
other people on different shows and

1641
00:57:37,910 --> 00:57:34,880
interviews discussed that they've remote

1642
00:57:41,190 --> 00:57:37,920
viewed targets on mars or the remote

1643
00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:41,200
view targets on the moon or you know et

1644
00:57:45,510 --> 00:57:43,680
craft is that something you've got much

1645
00:57:47,910 --> 00:57:45,520
experience with or how much stock would

1646
00:57:50,069 --> 00:57:47,920
you put into that element of remote

1647
00:57:51,270 --> 00:57:50,079
viewing or resonance viewing yeah no

1648
00:57:52,789 --> 00:57:51,280
that's a really good question because

1649
00:57:54,950 --> 00:57:52,799
it's certainly something that i've done

1650
00:57:57,270 --> 00:57:54,960
a lot with my people that i've trained

1651
00:57:58,870 --> 00:57:57,280
and the groups i've worked with

1652
00:58:00,230 --> 00:57:58,880
and

1653
00:58:01,510 --> 00:58:00,240
those sorts of targets are very

1654
00:58:03,030 --> 00:58:01,520
interesting i mean that's what got me

1655
00:58:05,109 --> 00:58:03,040
interested in crop circles just so we

1656
00:58:06,870 --> 00:58:05,119
can mention that for a second it was one

1657
00:58:09,910 --> 00:58:06,880
of the targets that

1658
00:58:12,390 --> 00:58:09,920
courtney brown gave to our class back in

1659
00:58:13,829 --> 00:58:12,400
1996.

1660
00:58:16,390 --> 00:58:13,839
i didn't even know what a crop circle

1661
00:58:18,470 --> 00:58:16,400
was in 1996. when i got the target

1662
00:58:20,549 --> 00:58:18,480
feedback on that picture

1663
00:58:22,950 --> 00:58:20,559
uh i thought what

1664
00:58:24,950 --> 00:58:22,960
what is this i'd never seen a picture of

1665
00:58:27,430 --> 00:58:24,960
a crop circle in 1996 that's how far

1666
00:58:28,630 --> 00:58:27,440
away i was from these topics andy i just

1667
00:58:30,390 --> 00:58:28,640
came out of graduate school and no one

1668
00:58:32,470 --> 00:58:30,400
ever talked about crop circles

1669
00:58:34,390 --> 00:58:32,480
in graduate school and here was this i

1670
00:58:36,470 --> 00:58:34,400
felt compelled to go over to the uk to

1671
00:58:37,990 --> 00:58:36,480
get my target feedback because in the

1672
00:58:39,349 --> 00:58:38,000
session i had gotten a lot of really

1673
00:58:41,430 --> 00:58:39,359
weird things that i couldn't really

1674
00:58:43,030 --> 00:58:41,440
match up

1675
00:58:44,549 --> 00:58:43,040
you know to anything i understood so i

1676
00:58:46,390 --> 00:58:44,559
went with a guy named ron russell who i

1677
00:58:48,230 --> 00:58:46,400
met at the ufo conference in denver in

1678
00:58:50,390 --> 00:58:48,240
1997. he said hey i'm giving crop circle

1679
00:58:51,750 --> 00:58:50,400
tours he gave us a presentation some of

1680
00:58:52,870 --> 00:58:51,760
the weird things that happened around

1681
00:58:54,470 --> 00:58:52,880
them i said wow this is sort of

1682
00:58:56,150 --> 00:58:54,480
interesting maybe it's kind of like rv

1683
00:58:58,390 --> 00:58:56,160
there's something going on that i wasn't

1684
00:59:00,549 --> 00:58:58,400
told about in graduate school so i went

1685
00:59:02,789 --> 00:59:00,559
over that's how it started going over to

1686
00:59:04,470 --> 00:59:02,799
the crop circles so the main thing about

1687
00:59:05,990 --> 00:59:04,480
viewing these types of targets is it's

1688
00:59:08,230 --> 00:59:06,000
important to get feedback

1689
00:59:09,750 --> 00:59:08,240
you can't always get feedback on a ufo

1690
00:59:11,349 --> 00:59:09,760
type target

1691
00:59:14,230 --> 00:59:11,359
and this is why i would encourage

1692
00:59:16,150 --> 00:59:14,240
everyone to take any rv work with ufos

1693
00:59:17,829 --> 00:59:16,160
just with a grain of salt i'm not saying

1694
00:59:19,670 --> 00:59:17,839
they're not accurate you just don't know

1695
00:59:21,990 --> 00:59:19,680
until you've got feedback

1696
00:59:23,349 --> 00:59:22,000
we've done a whole variety of ufo

1697
00:59:25,270 --> 00:59:23,359
targets over the years you know some of

1698
00:59:27,109 --> 00:59:25,280
the famous targets phoenix lights and

1699
00:59:29,349 --> 00:59:27,119
things like that and sometimes when

1700
00:59:32,069 --> 00:59:29,359
they're very good pictures and videos

1701
00:59:33,990 --> 00:59:32,079
you can view the objects and even put

1702
00:59:35,109 --> 00:59:34,000
people inside the craft have them walk

1703
00:59:36,870 --> 00:59:35,119
around

1704
00:59:38,069 --> 00:59:36,880
and that's been kind of astounding too

1705
00:59:40,870 --> 00:59:38,079
because

1706
00:59:43,190 --> 00:59:40,880
i've had viewers during the session say

1707
00:59:44,710 --> 00:59:43,200
something is looking back at me what do

1708
00:59:49,030 --> 00:59:44,720
i do

1709
00:59:50,549 --> 00:59:49,040
it down

1710
00:59:52,309 --> 00:59:50,559
you know so people have felt that

1711
00:59:53,670 --> 00:59:52,319
they've encountered these beings on the

1712
00:59:55,030 --> 00:59:53,680
craft when they're

1713
00:59:56,549 --> 00:59:55,040
you know they've been instructed to go

1714
00:59:58,390 --> 00:59:56,559
inside the object and describe it's

1715
00:59:59,670 --> 00:59:58,400
given a kind of standard rv movement

1716
01:00:00,630 --> 00:59:59,680
exercise

1717
01:00:01,670 --> 01:00:00,640
and

1718
01:00:03,270 --> 01:00:01,680
so that's really interesting we can't

1719
01:00:05,030 --> 01:00:03,280
really verify it at the end of the day

1720
01:00:07,190 --> 01:00:05,040
but that doesn't mean it's not correct

1721
01:00:09,270 --> 01:00:07,200
it just means it's unverifiable right

1722
01:00:11,349 --> 01:00:09,280
can't confirm it's like what ingo would

1723
01:00:14,549 --> 01:00:11,359
say can't confirm you don't know

1724
01:00:16,309 --> 01:00:14,559
so it's good to do regular sort of i'm

1725
01:00:18,069 --> 01:00:16,319
saying regular verifiable targets

1726
01:00:20,150 --> 01:00:18,079
ordinary targets just so at the end you

1727
01:00:22,630 --> 01:00:20,160
get your feedback on

1728
01:00:25,109 --> 01:00:22,640
came out kilimanjaro eiffel tower

1729
01:00:27,750 --> 01:00:25,119
famous celebrity event

1730
01:00:28,870 --> 01:00:27,760
battle whatever you were reviewing yeah

1731
01:00:31,670 --> 01:00:28,880
that way

1732
01:00:34,069 --> 01:00:31,680
you can calibrate your viewing abilities

1733
01:00:34,870 --> 01:00:34,079
with the target itself but it's also fun

1734
01:00:36,150 --> 01:00:34,880
just

1735
01:00:38,309 --> 01:00:36,160
and kind of

1736
01:00:40,470 --> 01:00:38,319
a stretch of the imagination to view

1737
01:00:42,870 --> 01:00:40,480
these more esoteric targets at least

1738
01:00:43,829 --> 01:00:42,880
that's how we call them uh

1739
01:00:45,270 --> 01:00:43,839
because at the end of the day we can't

1740
01:00:47,750 --> 01:00:45,280
confirm it either way i've done those

1741
01:00:50,549 --> 01:00:47,760
targets too you know targets on mars and

1742
01:00:52,309 --> 01:00:50,559
the moon and sometimes you see very

1743
01:00:53,990 --> 01:00:52,319
interesting stuff

1744
01:00:56,230 --> 01:00:54,000
and we're gonna just have to put that as

1745
01:00:58,390 --> 01:00:56,240
stan friedman would say in our gray

1746
01:01:00,470 --> 01:00:58,400
basket that's what stanton would say

1747
01:01:01,829 --> 01:01:00,480
when you brought up a topic during the

1748
01:01:03,670 --> 01:01:01,839
question and answer session from his

1749
01:01:04,870 --> 01:01:03,680
lectures and he would say what about

1750
01:01:06,870 --> 01:01:04,880
this then he would say you know that's

1751
01:01:09,109 --> 01:01:06,880
in my gray basket i'm not sure

1752
01:01:10,950 --> 01:01:09,119
it could be real but we can't confirm it

1753
01:01:13,190 --> 01:01:10,960
and that's how you are with these ufo

1754
01:01:14,309 --> 01:01:13,200
targets with rv sessions

1755
01:01:16,309 --> 01:01:14,319
uh

1756
01:01:18,470 --> 01:01:16,319
we know from the early days that ingo

1757
01:01:20,470 --> 01:01:18,480
did she was involved in viewing sessions

1758
01:01:21,990 --> 01:01:20,480
to demonstrate this for the brass at the

1759
01:01:24,069 --> 01:01:22,000
pentagon i think there was one famous

1760
01:01:26,069 --> 01:01:24,079
session where they had him viewing a

1761
01:01:27,910 --> 01:01:26,079
soviet submarine and he said you know

1762
01:01:30,549 --> 01:01:27,920
this disc just became

1763
01:01:33,270 --> 01:01:30,559
came between me and the submarine

1764
01:01:34,549 --> 01:01:33,280
uh very accurate viewers can view these

1765
01:01:37,270 --> 01:01:34,559
things too and say that's what they're

1766
01:01:39,510 --> 01:01:37,280
experiencing um so it's something that's

1767
01:01:41,030 --> 01:01:39,520
really fun to do with rv and you just

1768
01:01:42,390 --> 01:01:41,040
have to do it knowing that you won't get

1769
01:01:44,069 --> 01:01:42,400
feedback at the end of the session the

1770
01:01:44,950 --> 01:01:44,079
way you would with a kind of a standard

1771
01:01:46,710 --> 01:01:44,960
target

1772
01:01:48,870 --> 01:01:46,720
so if you don't mind

1773
01:01:50,549 --> 01:01:48,880
uh humoring me for a moment the reason i

1774
01:01:52,630 --> 01:01:50,559
started this podcast is i would listen

1775
01:01:54,150 --> 01:01:52,640
to interviews like this and the horse

1776
01:01:55,829 --> 01:01:54,160
would be good or bad and they would ask

1777
01:01:58,230 --> 01:01:55,839
a lot of you know genetic questions and

1778
01:01:59,510 --> 01:01:58,240
stuff and it was always me thinking i

1779
01:02:00,870 --> 01:01:59,520
would have asked this or i would have

1780
01:02:03,109 --> 01:02:00,880
asked that so now i've got my own

1781
01:02:04,630 --> 01:02:03,119
podcast i get to ask the questions

1782
01:02:07,270 --> 01:02:04,640
what i would have been shouting at the

1783
01:02:08,870 --> 01:02:07,280
podcast when you were talking there was

1784
01:02:11,510 --> 01:02:08,880
ask sim

1785
01:02:13,910 --> 01:02:11,520
what he saw on mars so

1786
01:02:15,589 --> 01:02:13,920
in whatever form of detail would you

1787
01:02:18,069 --> 01:02:15,599
divulge you know if you're if you have

1788
01:02:21,589 --> 01:02:18,079
used resonance viewing to look at mars

1789
01:02:23,270 --> 01:02:21,599
as a target what sort of stuff came up

1790
01:02:26,069 --> 01:02:23,280
yeah so there were a whole bunch of

1791
01:02:28,950 --> 01:02:26,079
different targets uh that

1792
01:02:31,829 --> 01:02:28,960
we were given at the farsight institute

1793
01:02:33,190 --> 01:02:31,839
way back in the 90s there they were

1794
01:02:37,190 --> 01:02:33,200
different

1795
01:02:39,750 --> 01:02:37,200
aspects of martian civilization

1796
01:02:42,309 --> 01:02:39,760
and the face on mars and

1797
01:02:44,069 --> 01:02:42,319
you go under the face on mars and do you

1798
01:02:45,670 --> 01:02:44,079
see anything there are pyramids on mars

1799
01:02:46,789 --> 01:02:45,680
things like that

1800
01:02:48,950 --> 01:02:46,799
and

1801
01:02:51,270 --> 01:02:48,960
i can just remember from my own sessions

1802
01:02:54,470 --> 01:02:51,280
they weren't anything

1803
01:02:56,390 --> 01:02:54,480
uh you know super technological

1804
01:02:57,829 --> 01:02:56,400
at least going from my memory of it at

1805
01:03:01,109 --> 01:02:57,839
the moment

1806
01:03:03,910 --> 01:03:01,119
they were just this is my impression of

1807
01:03:06,870 --> 01:03:03,920
martian civilization and mars in the

1808
01:03:09,109 --> 01:03:06,880
past it was something related to earth

1809
01:03:11,910 --> 01:03:09,119
it was a different type of human

1810
01:03:13,430 --> 01:03:11,920
uh a different frequency

1811
01:03:15,190 --> 01:03:13,440
not extraterrestrial in the sense of

1812
01:03:18,069 --> 01:03:15,200
something being really different

1813
01:03:19,990 --> 01:03:18,079
but something related to us but not for

1814
01:03:22,069 --> 01:03:20,000
you know not from earth if you know what

1815
01:03:24,789 --> 01:03:22,079
i mean related to us in some way but not

1816
01:03:27,109 --> 01:03:24,799
earthly a different sort of homo

1817
01:03:28,789 --> 01:03:27,119
hominoid hominid excuse me

1818
01:03:31,270 --> 01:03:28,799
a different sort of quadruped like a

1819
01:03:34,710 --> 01:03:31,280
human but different with different uh

1820
01:03:37,510 --> 01:03:34,720
values and different you know ideas

1821
01:03:40,069 --> 01:03:37,520
so that's the feeling i got from those

1822
01:03:42,150 --> 01:03:40,079
martian targets it wasn't oh wow it's

1823
01:03:44,789 --> 01:03:42,160
this you know with their spacecraft and

1824
01:03:47,589 --> 01:03:44,799
this magic technology it was more

1825
01:03:49,430 --> 01:03:47,599
the feeling of exploring a civilization

1826
01:03:51,510 --> 01:03:49,440
in the past

1827
01:03:53,270 --> 01:03:51,520
that might have been technologically

1828
01:03:54,309 --> 01:03:53,280
advanced compared to where we were in

1829
01:03:56,710 --> 01:03:54,319
the past

1830
01:03:59,430 --> 01:03:56,720
but somehow related to us in some way

1831
01:04:01,430 --> 01:03:59,440
kind of like another uh member of the

1832
01:04:03,349 --> 01:04:01,440
human family that was my feeling from

1833
01:04:05,109 --> 01:04:03,359
viewing the martian targets now again i

1834
01:04:07,029 --> 01:04:05,119
can't verify that one way or another

1835
01:04:09,029 --> 01:04:07,039
that's just the vibe that comes from

1836
01:04:11,670 --> 01:04:09,039
those targets that i remember doing

1837
01:04:13,990 --> 01:04:11,680
maybe about six or seven of them six or

1838
01:04:14,950 --> 01:04:14,000
seven targets like that no thanks and

1839
01:04:18,150 --> 01:04:14,960
you know what

1840
01:04:19,990 --> 01:04:18,160
like you say the the view on et and what

1841
01:04:21,670 --> 01:04:20,000
the phenomena might be has changed so

1842
01:04:24,230 --> 01:04:21,680
much over the last couple of years let

1843
01:04:25,910 --> 01:04:24,240
alone since the 90s and you touched on

1844
01:04:28,549 --> 01:04:25,920
it before my next question was going to

1845
01:04:30,069 --> 01:04:28,559
be on crop circles and that that

1846
01:04:31,829 --> 01:04:30,079
standard you know

1847
01:04:34,630 --> 01:04:31,839
aliens jumping in a flying saucer from

1848
01:04:37,510 --> 01:04:34,640
mars coming to earth and creating a crop

1849
01:04:39,990 --> 01:04:37,520
circle was a very 90s and 80s notion now

1850
01:04:41,349 --> 01:04:40,000
i think um we had the whole x-files wave

1851
01:04:44,069 --> 01:04:41,359
and all that kind of stuff has come and

1852
01:04:45,990 --> 01:04:44,079
gone crop circles is often still seen as

1853
01:04:48,150 --> 01:04:46,000
an older part of ufology but it still

1854
01:04:49,990 --> 01:04:48,160
very much happens and there's a lot of

1855
01:04:51,430 --> 01:04:50,000
pretty incredible videos i think just a

1856
01:04:54,789 --> 01:04:51,440
couple of months ago there was one out

1857
01:04:56,390 --> 01:04:54,799
in germany uh not too far from where um

1858
01:04:58,710 --> 01:04:56,400
lieutenant tim mcmillan who i've had on

1859
01:05:00,150 --> 01:04:58,720
the podcast and not not far from where

1860
01:05:02,069 --> 01:05:00,160
he stays but far enough that he couldn't

1861
01:05:04,309 --> 01:05:02,079
get to it easily and that was pretty

1862
01:05:05,910 --> 01:05:04,319
incredible as well

1863
01:05:08,470 --> 01:05:05,920
what for you is happening when it comes

1864
01:05:11,829 --> 01:05:08,480
to the crop circle phenomenon as a mix

1865
01:05:15,750 --> 01:05:11,839
of what it would seem to me of human and

1866
01:05:19,029 --> 01:05:15,760
something else that's causing these

1867
01:05:21,190 --> 01:05:19,039
yeah no great question great topic

1868
01:05:23,430 --> 01:05:21,200
first i would just say to everyone

1869
01:05:24,309 --> 01:05:23,440
you have to keep in mind in these topics

1870
01:05:27,190 --> 01:05:24,319
that

1871
01:05:28,870 --> 01:05:27,200
rather than jumping to an explanation

1872
01:05:31,029 --> 01:05:28,880
feeling confident you know what's going

1873
01:05:33,029 --> 01:05:31,039
on i find it healthier with all these

1874
01:05:34,870 --> 01:05:33,039
topics to insist that i don't know

1875
01:05:37,349 --> 01:05:34,880
what's going on and to go out and get

1876
01:05:39,589 --> 01:05:37,359
the data and to research them with an

1877
01:05:41,029 --> 01:05:39,599
open mind because you're guaranteed to

1878
01:05:42,870 --> 01:05:41,039
find that it's something different than

1879
01:05:44,230 --> 01:05:42,880
you thought it was and that's always a

1880
01:05:46,230 --> 01:05:44,240
good thing because that's progress right

1881
01:05:47,990 --> 01:05:46,240
your mind has expanded it's going beyond

1882
01:05:49,510 --> 01:05:48,000
what you thought it was and it's true of

1883
01:05:52,150 --> 01:05:49,520
crop circles too

1884
01:05:56,069 --> 01:05:52,160
these phenomena are beyond any one

1885
01:05:57,829 --> 01:05:56,079
explanation any one category people on

1886
01:06:00,150 --> 01:05:57,839
all sides of the aisles want it to be

1887
01:06:02,150 --> 01:06:00,160
this they want it to be that and as

1888
01:06:03,750 --> 01:06:02,160
you're saying andy it's a blend

1889
01:06:05,750 --> 01:06:03,760
it's a blend like anything else in

1890
01:06:07,349 --> 01:06:05,760
reality has different facets to it in

1891
01:06:09,910 --> 01:06:07,359
different aspects

1892
01:06:12,390 --> 01:06:09,920
when we go back in history not going

1893
01:06:13,430 --> 01:06:12,400
back 100 years even though they existed

1894
01:06:15,510 --> 01:06:13,440
back then

1895
01:06:18,150 --> 01:06:15,520
remember there was that book by i think

1896
01:06:20,230 --> 01:06:18,160
it was it was it terry andrews the

1897
01:06:22,309 --> 01:06:20,240
secret history of crop circles

1898
01:06:24,150 --> 01:06:22,319
a really great book uh it's not in print

1899
01:06:26,230 --> 01:06:24,160
anymore where he went back you know way

1900
01:06:28,549 --> 01:06:26,240
back to look at the history of these

1901
01:06:30,470 --> 01:06:28,559
patterns in grain crops

1902
01:06:32,390 --> 01:06:30,480
and they were there we're going a long

1903
01:06:35,510 --> 01:06:32,400
ways back but even if we go back to the

1904
01:06:37,670 --> 01:06:35,520
70s and 80s they are correlated with ufo

1905
01:06:39,910 --> 01:06:37,680
landing sites there's no doubt about it

1906
01:06:43,109 --> 01:06:39,920
i have spoken to witnesses

1907
01:06:46,309 --> 01:06:43,119
and there's great cases i just uh there

1908
01:06:48,230 --> 01:06:46,319
was one from one of rich hoffman's uh

1909
01:06:50,470 --> 01:06:48,240
lectures for scu you know that group in

1910
01:06:51,750 --> 01:06:50,480
the u.s the scientific coalition for the

1911
01:06:53,589 --> 01:06:51,760
study of

1912
01:06:55,589 --> 01:06:53,599
ufos i think that's what it is

1913
01:06:57,510 --> 01:06:55,599
and he brought up the carrollton ohio

1914
01:07:00,230 --> 01:06:57,520
case that he studied

1915
01:07:02,230 --> 01:07:00,240
as a younger person in 1973 where

1916
01:07:04,230 --> 01:07:02,240
something had landed and he went out to

1917
01:07:06,150 --> 01:07:04,240
the farmer had took him out there and it

1918
01:07:08,470 --> 01:07:06,160
literally had created a crop circle i

1919
01:07:11,190 --> 01:07:08,480
mean a circle literal circle right

1920
01:07:13,430 --> 01:07:11,200
the center was burned and farther out

1921
01:07:16,069 --> 01:07:13,440
than we had is according to what he said

1922
01:07:17,910 --> 01:07:16,079
and by the way this uh this lecture i

1923
01:07:20,309 --> 01:07:17,920
put it up on my blog new crystal mine

1924
01:07:22,710 --> 01:07:20,319
because i thought it was such a good

1925
01:07:24,549 --> 01:07:22,720
lecture about ufos from a year ago in

1926
01:07:26,950 --> 01:07:24,559
huntsville alabama he described going

1927
01:07:29,190 --> 01:07:26,960
out to this carrollton site and the week

1928
01:07:32,549 --> 01:07:29,200
being flattened and he said at the very

1929
01:07:34,390 --> 01:07:32,559
farthest level it was puffed wheat

1930
01:07:35,510 --> 01:07:34,400
the heat of the object had puffed the

1931
01:07:37,750 --> 01:07:35,520
wheat

1932
01:07:40,309 --> 01:07:37,760
and so there isn't any doubt that their

1933
01:07:43,430 --> 01:07:40,319
case is like that there are many trace

1934
01:07:45,829 --> 01:07:43,440
cases landing cases where the craft

1935
01:07:47,510 --> 01:07:45,839
leave patterns in wheat now i spoke to

1936
01:07:49,270 --> 01:07:47,520
one witness here

1937
01:07:50,309 --> 01:07:49,280
luis vovez

1938
01:07:51,270 --> 01:07:50,319
uh

1939
01:07:54,069 --> 01:07:51,280
she

1940
01:07:55,109 --> 01:07:54,079
saw this in the 1970s

1941
01:08:01,510 --> 01:07:55,119
in

1942
01:08:04,470 --> 01:08:01,520
with her brother and she said this

1943
01:08:06,630 --> 01:08:04,480
object that just kind of like that

1944
01:08:09,029 --> 01:08:06,640
you know fluttering leaf pattern is kind

1945
01:08:11,029 --> 01:08:09,039
of wobbling it came low over the meadow

1946
01:08:13,589 --> 01:08:11,039
and flattened the meadow in a straight

1947
01:08:16,070 --> 01:08:13,599
line for about 20 feet straight as it

1948
01:08:18,709 --> 01:08:16,080
moved across the meadow i said did it

1949
01:08:21,269 --> 01:08:18,719
bend the plants louise and by the way

1950
01:08:23,749 --> 01:08:21,279
you can see this interview on on my site

1951
01:08:25,349 --> 01:08:23,759
black swan ghosts dot com where she's in

1952
01:08:27,030 --> 01:08:25,359
the book and i put up the video you

1953
01:08:28,470 --> 01:08:27,040
could anyone can watch it

1954
01:08:30,789 --> 01:08:28,480
i said louise did they bend the witch

1955
01:08:32,789 --> 01:08:30,799
she goes no flat is a pancake now what

1956
01:08:34,630 --> 01:08:32,799
does that sound like andy that's like

1957
01:08:35,430 --> 01:08:34,640
crop circles like flattened

1958
01:08:37,189 --> 01:08:35,440
so

1959
01:08:39,910 --> 01:08:37,199
it just wasn't a crop circle but it was

1960
01:08:42,149 --> 01:08:39,920
evidence of a craft an anomalous vehicle

1961
01:08:44,149 --> 01:08:42,159
a uap as we call them now

1962
01:08:45,990 --> 01:08:44,159
flattening plants

1963
01:08:47,590 --> 01:08:46,000
and so there's many cases of that in the

1964
01:08:50,630 --> 01:08:47,600
70s now

1965
01:08:53,189 --> 01:08:50,640
70s 80s but as we move towards the more

1966
01:08:55,349 --> 01:08:53,199
recent era people got involved as i

1967
01:08:57,430 --> 01:08:55,359
learned having gone over to the uk since

1968
01:08:59,349 --> 01:08:57,440
1997 there were people that got involved

1969
01:09:00,229 --> 01:08:59,359
in making these and they really started

1970
01:09:03,749 --> 01:09:00,239
out

1971
01:09:05,110 --> 01:09:03,759
could make them and when they did they

1972
01:09:06,470 --> 01:09:05,120
found that they were better than they

1973
01:09:08,390 --> 01:09:06,480
thought they were going to be and they

1974
01:09:11,669 --> 01:09:08,400
just started making bigger ones and a

1975
01:09:13,829 --> 01:09:11,679
lot of them were real sincere you know

1976
01:09:15,110 --> 01:09:13,839
researchers initially or people that

1977
01:09:17,030 --> 01:09:15,120
were just really curious they weren't

1978
01:09:20,630 --> 01:09:17,040
hoaxers so

1979
01:09:22,390 --> 01:09:20,640
uh they made more of them and then we

1980
01:09:24,470 --> 01:09:22,400
ended up in a situation where and now

1981
01:09:26,470 --> 01:09:24,480
where a lot of them are man-made

1982
01:09:27,749 --> 01:09:26,480
but a big take-home point and if you've

1983
01:09:29,430 --> 01:09:27,759
watched my videos andy i guess you

1984
01:09:31,430 --> 01:09:29,440
already know this but

1985
01:09:33,669 --> 01:09:31,440
to those listening the man-made ones

1986
01:09:37,269 --> 01:09:33,679
have real active effects that are very

1987
01:09:40,789 --> 01:09:37,279
hard to explain uh very strange effects

1988
01:09:42,789 --> 01:09:40,799
on cameras batteries electromagnetic

1989
01:09:44,630 --> 01:09:42,799
effects on our equipment

1990
01:09:46,309 --> 01:09:44,640
that are very hard to explain i've heard

1991
01:09:48,390 --> 01:09:46,319
this from camera crews with their

1992
01:09:50,789 --> 01:09:48,400
professional cameras i've seen it myself

1993
01:09:52,550 --> 01:09:50,799
with groups i've taken out there

1994
01:09:54,870 --> 01:09:52,560
and um

1995
01:09:56,550 --> 01:09:54,880
it's just extremely strange it has to do

1996
01:09:59,510 --> 01:09:56,560
with balls of light

1997
01:10:02,310 --> 01:09:59,520
and uh these sort of so-called exotic

1998
01:10:03,830 --> 01:10:02,320
vacuum objects there's a great a youtube

1999
01:10:05,669 --> 01:10:03,840
channel that people should check out if

2000
01:10:07,510 --> 01:10:05,679
they want to learn more about this line

2001
01:10:09,430 --> 01:10:07,520
of research into balls of light and so

2002
01:10:11,430 --> 01:10:09,440
forth it's bob greenier's

2003
01:10:14,229 --> 01:10:11,440
uh martin fleischmann memorial project

2004
01:10:17,110 --> 01:10:14,239
named after martin fleischmann of cold

2005
01:10:19,189 --> 01:10:17,120
fusion fame right or infamy as we should

2006
01:10:20,870 --> 01:10:19,199
say right but there's a lot of

2007
01:10:22,310 --> 01:10:20,880
interesting phenomena around all crop

2008
01:10:23,750 --> 01:10:22,320
circles which

2009
01:10:25,750 --> 01:10:23,760
going back to what i said a few minutes

2010
01:10:27,030 --> 01:10:25,760
ago would lead you to conclude that

2011
01:10:29,110 --> 01:10:27,040
there's something about the shape and

2012
01:10:31,350 --> 01:10:29,120
the frequency of crop circles that

2013
01:10:33,430 --> 01:10:31,360
creates these effects independent of

2014
01:10:35,110 --> 01:10:33,440
whether they're made from a craft which

2015
01:10:37,189 --> 01:10:35,120
again really do exist and really do

2016
01:10:40,630 --> 01:10:37,199
leave some of these behind or it's made

2017
01:10:43,270 --> 01:10:40,640
by a team of circle makers you know

2018
01:10:44,470 --> 01:10:43,280
uh who existed i've talked to these

2019
01:10:45,990 --> 01:10:44,480
fellows they're you know they're mostly

2020
01:10:47,270 --> 01:10:46,000
guys i've talked with them i've hung out

2021
01:10:48,390 --> 01:10:47,280
with them i've made some circles with

2022
01:10:50,310 --> 01:10:48,400
them

2023
01:10:51,910 --> 01:10:50,320
and uh we've made a whole bunch of our

2024
01:10:53,350 --> 01:10:51,920
own circles we've paid the farmer and

2025
01:10:54,870 --> 01:10:53,360
we've gone out and made some and we've

2026
01:10:56,870 --> 01:10:54,880
seen a lot of these strange effects too

2027
01:10:58,149 --> 01:10:56,880
so it's a much more complex topic than

2028
01:10:59,510 --> 01:10:58,159
people thought that that's how i'd

2029
01:11:01,590 --> 01:10:59,520
answer the question

2030
01:11:03,590 --> 01:11:01,600
no something i was interested in

2031
01:11:06,630 --> 01:11:03,600
especially as a child like i was born in

2032
01:11:08,709 --> 01:11:06,640
1986 so as i got into the 90s and

2033
01:11:11,590 --> 01:11:08,719
started getting interested in ufos and

2034
01:11:13,990 --> 01:11:11,600
aliens and ancient egypt and all loch

2035
01:11:16,310 --> 01:11:14,000
ness monster all that kind of stuff

2036
01:11:18,470 --> 01:11:16,320
crop circles i remember seeing really

2037
01:11:21,510 --> 01:11:18,480
early on that there was a particular

2038
01:11:23,750 --> 01:11:21,520
crop circle that had been created but

2039
01:11:26,550 --> 01:11:23,760
even with the bending of the wheat and

2040
01:11:29,430 --> 01:11:26,560
you know surgical precision all the the

2041
01:11:31,110 --> 01:11:29,440
stalks of the wheat the joint has like a

2042
01:11:33,590 --> 01:11:31,120
little ball within it of a seed they're

2043
01:11:35,350 --> 01:11:33,600
a kernel and every single one of them

2044
01:11:38,229 --> 01:11:35,360
had been lit popped out

2045
01:11:40,149 --> 01:11:38,239
which just couldn't be done by human

2046
01:11:42,870 --> 01:11:40,159
hands the way it had been done in this

2047
01:11:45,350 --> 01:11:42,880
and even for me the the very very very

2048
01:11:46,550 --> 01:11:45,360
good human-made ones now you know what's

2049
01:11:49,189 --> 01:11:46,560
interesting here about the effects that

2050
01:11:52,149 --> 01:11:49,199
they still have but you can you still

2051
01:11:55,030 --> 01:11:52,159
see the imperfections as to what some of

2052
01:11:56,870 --> 01:11:55,040
the really really complex ones

2053
01:11:59,270 --> 01:11:56,880
seem you know they just seem to appear

2054
01:12:00,790 --> 01:11:59,280
out of nowhere you can still for me tell

2055
01:12:02,870 --> 01:12:00,800
that difference no matter how good the

2056
01:12:04,550 --> 01:12:02,880
human ones get that there's still that

2057
01:12:06,470 --> 01:12:04,560
real mystery in order but like you see

2058
01:12:08,470 --> 01:12:06,480
on your channel it's fascinating to see

2059
01:12:10,470 --> 01:12:08,480
that our effects still from

2060
01:12:12,149 --> 01:12:10,480
humans creating these to see that you're

2061
01:12:13,990 --> 01:12:12,159
you're maybe starting to play or dabble

2062
01:12:17,830 --> 01:12:14,000
with something that does have a

2063
01:12:22,790 --> 01:12:19,110
yeah it definitely has a connection to

2064
01:12:25,750 --> 01:12:22,800
something else and uh it's it's a great

2065
01:12:27,110 --> 01:12:25,760
question of what that is uh because my

2066
01:12:28,790 --> 01:12:27,120
belief is

2067
01:12:30,470 --> 01:12:28,800
you're tapping into some sort of natural

2068
01:12:32,950 --> 01:12:30,480
super conductivity

2069
01:12:34,870 --> 01:12:32,960
from plants it's something that people

2070
01:12:36,870 --> 01:12:34,880
haven't really looked at very much at

2071
01:12:38,470 --> 01:12:36,880
all if at all

2072
01:12:40,470 --> 01:12:38,480
any

2073
01:12:42,790 --> 01:12:40,480
where because

2074
01:12:45,990 --> 01:12:42,800
you're getting this just rapid

2075
01:12:48,390 --> 01:12:46,000
acceleration and generation of magnetism

2076
01:12:50,390 --> 01:12:48,400
and electrical flow very briefly

2077
01:12:51,669 --> 01:12:50,400
sometimes but it's enough to knock out

2078
01:12:52,790 --> 01:12:51,679
your camera

2079
01:12:57,910 --> 01:12:52,800
or

2080
01:12:59,110 --> 01:12:57,920
electronics to melt electronics

2081
01:13:00,630 --> 01:12:59,120
which is something you don't see

2082
01:13:01,910 --> 01:13:00,640
anywhere else

2083
01:13:04,470 --> 01:13:01,920
i mean

2084
01:13:06,229 --> 01:13:04,480
i've talked to many farmers and uh

2085
01:13:07,750 --> 01:13:06,239
anyone who has will know that they don't

2086
01:13:10,870 --> 01:13:07,760
find their tractors melting down very

2087
01:13:13,270 --> 01:13:10,880
often in those crop circles but uh

2088
01:13:15,270 --> 01:13:13,280
i mean in fields but in the crop circles

2089
01:13:17,350 --> 01:13:15,280
you you can experience some pretty

2090
01:13:19,189 --> 01:13:17,360
strange things that don't happen when

2091
01:13:20,950 --> 01:13:19,199
you're on the beach or on vacation in

2092
01:13:23,510 --> 01:13:20,960
the mountains normally

2093
01:13:26,950 --> 01:13:23,520
and so it shows us that it's connecting

2094
01:13:29,430 --> 01:13:26,960
to another type of energy field

2095
01:13:30,470 --> 01:13:29,440
and another set of scientific principles

2096
01:13:32,390 --> 01:13:30,480
that

2097
01:13:35,189 --> 01:13:32,400
seems to

2098
01:13:38,870 --> 01:13:35,199
create a juncture between quantum

2099
01:13:40,550 --> 01:13:38,880
phenomena and our kind of macroscopic

2100
01:13:41,590 --> 01:13:40,560
classical reality there's a juncture

2101
01:13:43,270 --> 01:13:41,600
going on because you're getting a lot

2102
01:13:44,870 --> 01:13:43,280
more energy than you should from wheat

2103
01:13:46,630 --> 01:13:44,880
which is you know as colin andrews is

2104
01:13:48,470 --> 01:13:46,640
pointed out many times is typically

2105
01:13:51,110 --> 01:13:48,480
usually an insulator

2106
01:13:51,910 --> 01:13:51,120
and here it's acting like a conductor

2107
01:13:52,790 --> 01:13:51,920
so

2108
01:13:54,390 --> 01:13:52,800
uh

2109
01:13:56,790 --> 01:13:54,400
the

2110
01:13:59,750 --> 01:13:56,800
connections between that and you know

2111
01:14:02,550 --> 01:13:59,760
shapes and geometry and mathematics and

2112
01:14:04,229 --> 01:14:02,560
frequency all those good things really

2113
01:14:06,550 --> 01:14:04,239
come up pop up

2114
01:14:07,990 --> 01:14:06,560
in a sense in crop circles and that's

2115
01:14:09,910 --> 01:14:08,000
what really makes them

2116
01:14:12,070 --> 01:14:09,920
really interesting i mean it sort of

2117
01:14:13,510 --> 01:14:12,080
suggests that if you get a precise

2118
01:14:16,630 --> 01:14:13,520
enough shape

2119
01:14:19,430 --> 01:14:16,640
in a large enough area in a thing like a

2120
01:14:21,430 --> 01:14:19,440
grain crop a kind of a template

2121
01:14:22,709 --> 01:14:21,440
that it creates

2122
01:14:25,590 --> 01:14:22,719
a

2123
01:14:27,510 --> 01:14:25,600
juncture point to some other type of

2124
01:14:30,149 --> 01:14:27,520
energy system

2125
01:14:31,030 --> 01:14:30,159
or reality almost like a portal in a

2126
01:14:32,790 --> 01:14:31,040
sense

2127
01:14:34,149 --> 01:14:32,800
just kind of using that as a kind of an

2128
01:14:36,390 --> 01:14:34,159
image

2129
01:14:37,990 --> 01:14:36,400
i i'm not sure if it's literally like a

2130
01:14:39,750 --> 01:14:38,000
portal things are kind of popping in and

2131
01:14:42,229 --> 01:14:39,760
out like you'd see on you know a

2132
01:14:44,070 --> 01:14:42,239
wormhole on star trek but it feels like

2133
01:14:46,630 --> 01:14:44,080
that a little bit because the phenomena

2134
01:14:48,470 --> 01:14:46,640
around it are just not typical

2135
01:14:49,830 --> 01:14:48,480
and again this is something i wouldn't

2136
01:14:51,990 --> 01:14:49,840
have believed if i hadn't seen it for

2137
01:14:53,750 --> 01:14:52,000
myself over many years

2138
01:14:55,430 --> 01:14:53,760
when i got there in 97 i was just

2139
01:14:57,189 --> 01:14:55,440
listening to other people's stories but

2140
01:14:58,870 --> 01:14:57,199
then i began to see it on my own cameras

2141
01:15:02,310 --> 01:14:58,880
other people's cameras

2142
01:15:04,070 --> 01:15:02,320
and year after year and

2143
01:15:05,910 --> 01:15:04,080
it just shows to you that something is

2144
01:15:08,149 --> 01:15:05,920
going on and again

2145
01:15:09,510 --> 01:15:08,159
what this leads us it's the same thing

2146
01:15:11,830 --> 01:15:09,520
as these other topics we've been talking

2147
01:15:13,590 --> 01:15:11,840
about there's something going on but

2148
01:15:15,470 --> 01:15:13,600
we're not looking at reality we're

2149
01:15:17,669 --> 01:15:15,480
looking at a kind of a

2150
01:15:19,510 --> 01:15:17,679
smallified version that we've been

2151
01:15:21,830 --> 01:15:19,520
taught to believe is true because if

2152
01:15:25,430 --> 01:15:21,840
you're in a crop circle

2153
01:15:27,350 --> 01:15:25,440
and your camera goes bad it goes out and

2154
01:15:29,830 --> 01:15:27,360
it doesn't work for a couple days and

2155
01:15:31,110 --> 01:15:29,840
you put it in the in your drawer and a

2156
01:15:32,390 --> 01:15:31,120
couple months later you take it out

2157
01:15:33,350 --> 01:15:32,400
again it's working you're just gonna

2158
01:15:34,550 --> 01:15:33,360
think

2159
01:15:36,950 --> 01:15:34,560
well i don't know what that was it was

2160
01:15:38,709 --> 01:15:36,960
just something but that's the outlier

2161
01:15:40,550 --> 01:15:38,719
that we need to be looking at when it

2162
01:15:43,189 --> 01:15:40,560
happens to hundreds of people that's the

2163
01:15:45,189 --> 01:15:43,199
outlier it's no longer an outlier

2164
01:15:46,550 --> 01:15:45,199
that's what we need to be looking at to

2165
01:15:48,310 --> 01:15:46,560
try to make sense of what's going on but

2166
01:15:50,950 --> 01:15:48,320
it's easy for people individually to

2167
01:15:52,390 --> 01:15:50,960
push things away that is not easily

2168
01:15:54,070 --> 01:15:52,400
explainable

2169
01:15:55,830 --> 01:15:54,080
that's what we all do

2170
01:15:57,189 --> 01:15:55,840
but if we all joined our knowledge

2171
01:15:59,030 --> 01:15:57,199
together of all the different types of

2172
01:16:00,790 --> 01:15:59,040
experiences we have

2173
01:16:02,790 --> 01:16:00,800
as some people have proposed recently

2174
01:16:04,950 --> 01:16:02,800
with different sensor systems like for

2175
01:16:06,390 --> 01:16:04,960
uaps for example we might see a very

2176
01:16:07,350 --> 01:16:06,400
different picture of reality and that's

2177
01:16:08,550 --> 01:16:07,360
what i think has been going on with the

2178
01:16:09,750 --> 01:16:08,560
crop circles a lot of people have

2179
01:16:11,430 --> 01:16:09,760
experienced this but you know they're

2180
01:16:13,270 --> 01:16:11,440
just on their own they go over to see it

2181
01:16:15,030 --> 01:16:13,280
they you know they push it aside i've

2182
01:16:16,310 --> 01:16:15,040
seen many people push it aside until i

2183
01:16:17,430 --> 01:16:16,320
tell them you know a lot of people have

2184
01:16:19,430 --> 01:16:17,440
experienced that before and then they

2185
01:16:20,390 --> 01:16:19,440
think really you know maybe it wasn't

2186
01:16:22,070 --> 01:16:20,400
just

2187
01:16:24,229 --> 01:16:22,080
this or that it really there was some

2188
01:16:26,470 --> 01:16:24,239
common explanation to why everyone's

2189
01:16:27,830 --> 01:16:26,480
watches and cameras were affected in a

2190
01:16:29,270 --> 01:16:27,840
particular crop circle i mean it's

2191
01:16:30,630 --> 01:16:29,280
something that happens over a period of

2192
01:16:32,470 --> 01:16:30,640
like a day or two in a crop circle and

2193
01:16:33,590 --> 01:16:32,480
it can stop so

2194
01:16:34,790 --> 01:16:33,600
if you put it all together it's quite

2195
01:16:36,470 --> 01:16:34,800
interesting

2196
01:16:38,390 --> 01:16:36,480
a couple of the listeners some over at

2197
01:16:40,630 --> 01:16:38,400
patreon um shauna who's listened to the

2198
01:16:43,910 --> 01:16:40,640
podcast almost from day one had asked

2199
01:16:47,590 --> 01:16:43,920
have you ever seen or rved a crop circle

2200
01:16:51,510 --> 01:16:49,350
um

2201
01:16:53,830 --> 01:16:51,520
that was the first one i did in 97 at

2202
01:16:55,270 --> 01:16:53,840
the far side institute that's really it

2203
01:16:57,990 --> 01:16:55,280
was the uh

2204
01:16:59,910 --> 01:16:58,000
windmill triple julia set

2205
01:17:00,830 --> 01:16:59,920
from 1996 if anyone remembers that

2206
01:17:03,270 --> 01:17:00,840
particular

2207
01:17:05,189 --> 01:17:03,280
formation and that was the viewing

2208
01:17:07,430 --> 01:17:05,199
target and that was the one where i just

2209
01:17:09,830 --> 01:17:07,440
got a lot of weird energy going on a lot

2210
01:17:11,990 --> 01:17:09,840
of strange activity just stuff that

2211
01:17:13,270 --> 01:17:12,000
didn't fit in the ordinary boxes in your

2212
01:17:14,709 --> 01:17:13,280
mind

2213
01:17:17,350 --> 01:17:14,719
um

2214
01:17:19,110 --> 01:17:17,360
so that really would be the closest

2215
01:17:21,830 --> 01:17:19,120
uh that i

2216
01:17:23,189 --> 01:17:21,840
had to viewing something you know

2217
01:17:24,950 --> 01:17:23,199
i can't say it was necessarily from the

2218
01:17:27,350 --> 01:17:24,960
beginning to the end but

2219
01:17:29,750 --> 01:17:27,360
during a good rv session your monitor

2220
01:17:33,590 --> 01:17:29,760
will move you around in time

2221
01:17:35,350 --> 01:17:33,600
around the events and around the site

2222
01:17:37,350 --> 01:17:35,360
so i did look at that from a couple

2223
01:17:38,870 --> 01:17:37,360
different time periods

2224
01:17:40,229 --> 01:17:38,880
um

2225
01:17:42,550 --> 01:17:40,239
but that would be the closest i would

2226
01:17:44,709 --> 01:17:42,560
say to have viewing one from

2227
01:17:46,310 --> 01:17:44,719
you know beginning to end

2228
01:17:48,229 --> 01:17:46,320
uh once i started going over there i

2229
01:17:49,270 --> 01:17:48,239
wasn't viewing them as much

2230
01:17:50,790 --> 01:17:49,280
um

2231
01:17:52,630 --> 01:17:50,800
because more i was like walking around

2232
01:17:54,709 --> 01:17:52,640
and exploring them and then of course

2233
01:17:56,470 --> 01:17:54,719
around 2000 we met some of the circle

2234
01:17:58,310 --> 01:17:56,480
makers who kind of gave us a dare they

2235
01:18:00,470 --> 01:17:58,320
said hey you know you want to see us

2236
01:18:02,630 --> 01:18:00,480
first it was in the daytime

2237
01:18:04,550 --> 01:18:02,640
uh that was the one i talked about with

2238
01:18:06,149 --> 01:18:04,560
matt williamson's group for it was for

2239
01:18:07,510 --> 01:18:06,159
an advertisement they we didn't even

2240
01:18:08,470 --> 01:18:07,520
think they could do that but they were

2241
01:18:10,390 --> 01:18:08,480
you know they were pretty good at that

2242
01:18:11,350 --> 01:18:10,400
it was obviously in the daytime with a

2243
01:18:12,950 --> 01:18:11,360
lot of

2244
01:18:15,430 --> 01:18:12,960
light but

2245
01:18:17,669 --> 01:18:15,440
then seeing some of them done at night

2246
01:18:19,510 --> 01:18:17,679
that was interesting because

2247
01:18:22,790 --> 01:18:19,520
there were experiences that the circle

2248
01:18:24,630 --> 01:18:22,800
makers had that really start becoming

2249
01:18:26,950 --> 01:18:24,640
quote-unquote paranormal i mean seeing

2250
01:18:29,270 --> 01:18:26,960
things that you wouldn't normally see

2251
01:18:30,870 --> 01:18:29,280
there even some of the circle makers

2252
01:18:33,510 --> 01:18:30,880
reporting

2253
01:18:35,350 --> 01:18:33,520
craft coming over the circles while

2254
01:18:37,510 --> 01:18:35,360
they're making them not huge ones small

2255
01:18:38,390 --> 01:18:37,520
ones uh this isn't before drones and

2256
01:18:41,830 --> 01:18:38,400
things

2257
01:18:43,590 --> 01:18:41,840
doing surveillance it's interesting it

2258
01:18:44,550 --> 01:18:43,600
just becomes rather complex and you

2259
01:18:46,310 --> 01:18:44,560
again

2260
01:18:48,870 --> 01:18:46,320
just like all these topics

2261
01:18:50,229 --> 01:18:48,880
it just they're paradigm busters and at

2262
01:18:51,830 --> 01:18:50,239
the end of the day andy i think we

2263
01:18:53,750 --> 01:18:51,840
should all be happy that things busted

2264
01:18:55,669 --> 01:18:53,760
our own paradigms even ours those of us

2265
01:18:57,270 --> 01:18:55,679
who consider ourselves researchers

2266
01:18:59,350 --> 01:18:57,280
and think that we have

2267
01:19:02,310 --> 01:18:59,360
a more informed view than the rest of

2268
01:19:04,870 --> 01:19:02,320
society we need our own paradigms busted

2269
01:19:07,910 --> 01:19:04,880
too just because we need to grow we

2270
01:19:09,430 --> 01:19:07,920
can't stay stuck in a rut and we can get

2271
01:19:10,630 --> 01:19:09,440
stuck in a rut there are a lot of people

2272
01:19:12,390 --> 01:19:10,640
that i've found over the years that are

2273
01:19:14,790 --> 01:19:12,400
very rigid about their ideas about crop

2274
01:19:16,709 --> 01:19:14,800
circles i was one of them but i was one

2275
01:19:18,070 --> 01:19:16,719
of them at the beginning that said no

2276
01:19:19,750 --> 01:19:18,080
human could do this and i had all the

2277
01:19:20,709 --> 01:19:19,760
arguments why humans couldn't do this

2278
01:19:23,110 --> 01:19:20,719
but

2279
01:19:25,189 --> 01:19:23,120
they could do at least some of them so

2280
01:19:27,430 --> 01:19:25,199
yeah totally and life would be a very

2281
01:19:29,110 --> 01:19:27,440
boring you know life if if that's what

2282
01:19:31,030 --> 01:19:29,120
it was we got all our questions answered

2283
01:19:33,110 --> 01:19:31,040
and we moved on because even people have

2284
01:19:34,790 --> 01:19:33,120
asked me on this podcast that that

2285
01:19:37,270 --> 01:19:34,800
aren't necessarily fans that are

2286
01:19:39,590 --> 01:19:37,280
believers in the subject or topic that

2287
01:19:41,189 --> 01:19:39,600
well if if we find out that aliens exist

2288
01:19:42,709 --> 01:19:41,199
next week then that's your podcast

2289
01:19:44,790 --> 01:19:42,719
finished and i'm like well no for me

2290
01:19:46,149 --> 01:19:44,800
that's when the questions start because

2291
01:19:47,350 --> 01:19:46,159
there's just so much more that you'd

2292
01:19:49,350 --> 01:19:47,360
want to know and i think people are

2293
01:19:51,430 --> 01:19:49,360
surprised at that because it's not just

2294
01:19:53,990 --> 01:19:51,440
a case of are there aliens yes or no are

2295
01:19:55,990 --> 01:19:54,000
there ufos yes or no it's there's a

2296
01:19:57,110 --> 01:19:56,000
whole plethora of other questions that

2297
01:19:58,790 --> 01:19:57,120
come out when

2298
01:20:00,950 --> 01:19:58,800
remote viewing crops are closed how do

2299
01:20:03,030 --> 01:20:00,960
they all intertwine and their link other

2300
01:20:04,790 --> 01:20:03,040
connections and that that's always

2301
01:20:06,390 --> 01:20:04,800
amazed me um i want to ask another

2302
01:20:08,709 --> 01:20:06,400
question some on on the crop circles

2303
01:20:10,550 --> 01:20:08,719
from one of the patrons dustin he asked

2304
01:20:12,790 --> 01:20:10,560
a really interesting one are there

2305
01:20:14,870 --> 01:20:12,800
sounds emitted from crop circles after

2306
01:20:17,030 --> 01:20:14,880
they are created and can these be

2307
01:20:19,830 --> 01:20:17,040
recorded and used during residence

2308
01:20:21,750 --> 01:20:19,840
viewing to see uaps

2309
01:20:23,830 --> 01:20:21,760
that's interesting uh there was that

2310
01:20:25,510 --> 01:20:23,840
trailing sound that people heard over

2311
01:20:28,470 --> 01:20:25,520
the years remember

2312
01:20:30,790 --> 01:20:28,480
uh it was a very high frequency

2313
01:20:34,550 --> 01:20:30,800
that people recorded i remember hearing

2314
01:20:36,070 --> 01:20:34,560
this uh i never heard it myself

2315
01:20:38,790 --> 01:20:36,080
directly

2316
01:20:41,030 --> 01:20:38,800
i just heard recordings of it uh david

2317
01:20:42,629 --> 01:20:41,040
kingston there the researcher a very

2318
01:20:44,790 --> 01:20:42,639
interesting fellow who used to be at the

2319
01:20:46,790 --> 01:20:44,800
crop circle meetings he passed away a

2320
01:20:48,950 --> 01:20:46,800
number of years ago too

2321
01:20:51,110 --> 01:20:48,960
uh he had actually worked you know this

2322
01:20:53,669 --> 01:20:51,120
is so fascinating andy

2323
01:20:55,430 --> 01:20:53,679
he had worked was it at christmas island

2324
01:20:56,629 --> 01:20:55,440
or some british territory in the south

2325
01:20:58,550 --> 01:20:56,639
pacific

2326
01:21:00,629 --> 01:20:58,560
monitoring ufos he told us you know

2327
01:21:02,950 --> 01:21:00,639
before nick pope there were other people

2328
01:21:04,790 --> 01:21:02,960
doing this and david kingston was one of

2329
01:21:06,470 --> 01:21:04,800
them officially worked for the military

2330
01:21:08,709 --> 01:21:06,480
monitoring ufo sightings around the

2331
01:21:10,709 --> 01:21:08,719
missile installations out there

2332
01:21:13,910 --> 01:21:10,719
hello

2333
01:21:16,149 --> 01:21:13,920
uh so he he became interested in crop

2334
01:21:17,750 --> 01:21:16,159
circles the ufo connection and uh he

2335
01:21:18,870 --> 01:21:17,760
would play that trillion sound for us i

2336
01:21:19,990 --> 01:21:18,880
think i still have a copy of it

2337
01:21:21,590 --> 01:21:20,000
somewhere

2338
01:21:22,709 --> 01:21:21,600
um

2339
01:21:24,790 --> 01:21:22,719
i haven't heard it myself but that's a

2340
01:21:26,149 --> 01:21:24,800
good idea you could play it during an rv

2341
01:21:27,590 --> 01:21:26,159
session i mean

2342
01:21:29,189 --> 01:21:27,600
this is the thing we need to be

2343
01:21:31,430 --> 01:21:29,199
experimenting with all these techniques

2344
01:21:33,510 --> 01:21:31,440
don't let anyone else tell you

2345
01:21:35,030 --> 01:21:33,520
what is going on here you have to try

2346
01:21:36,950 --> 01:21:35,040
your own experiments

2347
01:21:38,790 --> 01:21:36,960
i'm totally serious about this

2348
01:21:40,470 --> 01:21:38,800
none of us have a clue of what's really

2349
01:21:41,590 --> 01:21:40,480
going on here and because we won't look

2350
01:21:43,750 --> 01:21:41,600
at the data

2351
01:21:45,189 --> 01:21:43,760
and the data has been withheld from us

2352
01:21:47,270 --> 01:21:45,199
sure it's true

2353
01:21:49,430 --> 01:21:47,280
but even when we have the data sometimes

2354
01:21:51,110 --> 01:21:49,440
we're blinded by our own belief systems

2355
01:21:53,910 --> 01:21:51,120
we won't have an open mind

2356
01:21:56,229 --> 01:21:53,920
so the thing is folks is when you

2357
01:21:58,310 --> 01:21:56,239
encounter these anomalies don't just

2358
01:21:59,350 --> 01:21:58,320
push it away don't file it away in the

2359
01:22:01,350 --> 01:21:59,360
drawer

2360
01:22:03,270 --> 01:22:01,360
and just say oh someone else someone

2361
01:22:05,350 --> 01:22:03,280
else will explain it someday you need to

2362
01:22:07,350 --> 01:22:05,360
pursue it because it's reality giving

2363
01:22:08,709 --> 01:22:07,360
you a little clue that it isn't the way

2364
01:22:10,149 --> 01:22:08,719
you were taught it was

2365
01:22:11,990 --> 01:22:10,159
and this is the way it is with the

2366
01:22:14,070 --> 01:22:12,000
drilling sound

2367
01:22:16,790 --> 01:22:14,080
and with all these other phenomena if

2368
01:22:18,470 --> 01:22:16,800
you put all these clues together you'll

2369
01:22:20,070 --> 01:22:18,480
end up with a different picture of

2370
01:22:22,149 --> 01:22:20,080
reality

2371
01:22:24,870 --> 01:22:22,159
and i'd like to believe that that's what

2372
01:22:26,870 --> 01:22:24,880
i do every day this is what

2373
01:22:28,310 --> 01:22:26,880
my training led me to to believe and i

2374
01:22:30,470 --> 01:22:28,320
think it's a good thing from academics

2375
01:22:32,310 --> 01:22:30,480
is you don't ignore things that are not

2376
01:22:34,070 --> 01:22:32,320
consistent with your belief system you

2377
01:22:36,149 --> 01:22:34,080
have it all out on the table and you

2378
01:22:37,110 --> 01:22:36,159
spend your time looking at the whole

2379
01:22:39,110 --> 01:22:37,120
thing

2380
01:22:40,870 --> 01:22:39,120
whatever your specialty is or whatever

2381
01:22:42,390 --> 01:22:40,880
topics you want to look at

2382
01:22:45,110 --> 01:22:42,400
you don't throw out the data that

2383
01:22:47,030 --> 01:22:45,120
doesn't fit your viewpoint you gather it

2384
01:22:48,790 --> 01:22:47,040
up it could take years

2385
01:22:51,030 --> 01:22:48,800
it could take decades it's taking

2386
01:22:53,750 --> 01:22:51,040
decades to figure out this ufo situation

2387
01:22:55,189 --> 01:22:53,760
isn't it decades

2388
01:22:57,750 --> 01:22:55,199
but we'll figure it out that's what

2389
01:22:59,030 --> 01:22:57,760
makes it fun is every day could be the

2390
01:23:01,590 --> 01:22:59,040
day that you get a new piece of

2391
01:23:03,350 --> 01:23:01,600
information that makes the whole thing

2392
01:23:04,550 --> 01:23:03,360
make sense you don't know what that day

2393
01:23:06,149 --> 01:23:04,560
is going to be it could be any day

2394
01:23:08,310 --> 01:23:06,159
coming up now you're going to see

2395
01:23:10,229 --> 01:23:08,320
something personally you're going to

2396
01:23:12,629 --> 01:23:10,239
witness something

2397
01:23:13,750 --> 01:23:12,639
reality is showing something to all of

2398
01:23:15,830 --> 01:23:13,760
us

2399
01:23:17,910 --> 01:23:15,840
we're the ones that are not looking at

2400
01:23:19,990 --> 01:23:17,920
it because we're content with the

2401
01:23:22,229 --> 01:23:20,000
ordinary picture of reality society has

2402
01:23:24,149 --> 01:23:22,239
taught us but as we've seen there's a

2403
01:23:25,910 --> 01:23:24,159
lot more going on

2404
01:23:27,350 --> 01:23:25,920
and perhaps the government didn't want

2405
01:23:29,590 --> 01:23:27,360
us to look at this they thought there

2406
01:23:31,990 --> 01:23:29,600
was going to be panic okay maybe there

2407
01:23:34,229 --> 01:23:32,000
was in the 1950s or 60s i don't know i

2408
01:23:35,910 --> 01:23:34,239
was just a kid in the 60s i don't know

2409
01:23:37,430 --> 01:23:35,920
if we'd have war of the worlds but

2410
01:23:38,790 --> 01:23:37,440
obviously someone's been collecting all

2411
01:23:40,310 --> 01:23:38,800
this data and they have been sharing it

2412
01:23:42,229 --> 01:23:40,320
with us have they

2413
01:23:44,310 --> 01:23:42,239
and we have the internet now we can all

2414
01:23:45,510 --> 01:23:44,320
share we can listen to your podcast here

2415
01:23:48,709 --> 01:23:45,520
other podcasts we can put it all

2416
01:23:50,390 --> 01:23:48,719
together i think it's very exciting

2417
01:23:52,149 --> 01:23:50,400
you've set up the segway to my last

2418
01:23:53,990 --> 01:23:52,159
question before we get into the listener

2419
01:23:56,790 --> 01:23:54,000
questions and quickfire round to finish

2420
01:23:59,189 --> 01:23:56,800
off really really nicely um yeah so one

2421
01:24:00,870 --> 01:23:59,199
of your recent tweets i was going to ask

2422
01:24:02,629 --> 01:24:00,880
you how you see the next few years

2423
01:24:03,910 --> 01:24:02,639
playing out and you set up in a tweet

2424
01:24:07,030 --> 01:24:03,920
where you said

2425
01:24:09,350 --> 01:24:07,040
fossilized life on a meteor uh life on

2426
01:24:10,310 --> 01:24:09,360
venus et's are here they are your

2427
01:24:11,910 --> 01:24:10,320
neighbor

2428
01:24:14,830 --> 01:24:11,920
is that the way you really can see

2429
01:24:19,430 --> 01:24:17,270
yes i was having a little bit of fun

2430
01:24:22,189 --> 01:24:19,440
with that tweet but you know yeah that

2431
01:24:24,629 --> 01:24:22,199
came out of this you know the the

2432
01:24:27,030 --> 01:24:24,639
exobiology remember the meteorites and

2433
01:24:28,950 --> 01:24:27,040
this announcement from russia

2434
01:24:31,590 --> 01:24:28,960
russian scientists on september 15th

2435
01:24:32,629 --> 01:24:31,600
that they had been studying for 20 years

2436
01:24:34,070 --> 01:24:32,639
this is what i'm talking about the data

2437
01:24:35,830 --> 01:24:34,080
has already been out there

2438
01:24:38,870 --> 01:24:35,840
for 20 years they've been looking at

2439
01:24:40,790 --> 01:24:38,880
these biological fossils on meteorites

2440
01:24:43,030 --> 01:24:40,800
just like richard hoover did who i've

2441
01:24:44,950 --> 01:24:43,040
interviewed and i you know i had a video

2442
01:24:46,709 --> 01:24:44,960
about him i talked about him

2443
01:24:48,870 --> 01:24:46,719
the nasa scientists that quit because

2444
01:24:50,950 --> 01:24:48,880
they didn't want him to talk about it

2445
01:24:53,030 --> 01:24:50,960
uh life on me fossilized life on

2446
01:24:54,390 --> 01:24:53,040
meteorites that's how it starts it has

2447
01:24:55,750 --> 01:24:54,400
to do with

2448
01:24:57,830 --> 01:24:55,760
our own

2449
01:25:00,310 --> 01:24:57,840
comfort levels of absorbing new

2450
01:25:01,590 --> 01:25:00,320
information without flipping out i mean

2451
01:25:03,189 --> 01:25:01,600
and that's what your conscious mind is

2452
01:25:06,550 --> 01:25:03,199
there to do at the end of the day anyway

2453
01:25:07,430 --> 01:25:06,560
isn't it is to try to kind of

2454
01:25:09,669 --> 01:25:07,440
fit

2455
01:25:10,629 --> 01:25:09,679
what you see into what you believe to be

2456
01:25:12,470 --> 01:25:10,639
true

2457
01:25:14,550 --> 01:25:12,480
and it does this and you push things

2458
01:25:16,550 --> 01:25:14,560
away you push away data you push away

2459
01:25:19,189 --> 01:25:16,560
events you push away situations that

2460
01:25:21,189 --> 01:25:19,199
don't fit that but eventually societies

2461
01:25:24,709 --> 01:25:21,199
can't do that anymore so there's going

2462
01:25:26,550 --> 01:25:24,719
to be a gradual initially a gradual wave

2463
01:25:27,910 --> 01:25:26,560
of new data and new information that

2464
01:25:29,910 --> 01:25:27,920
comes forward

2465
01:25:33,510 --> 01:25:29,920
that's just going to seem like it's on

2466
01:25:36,550 --> 01:25:33,520
the periphery i would imagine meteorites

2467
01:25:38,790 --> 01:25:36,560
you know phosphine gases in venus's

2468
01:25:40,470 --> 01:25:38,800
atmosphere things like that that suggest

2469
01:25:42,470 --> 01:25:40,480
that life exists

2470
01:25:44,470 --> 01:25:42,480
out there and gradually

2471
01:25:46,470 --> 01:25:44,480
the news cycles will pick up on this and

2472
01:25:48,950 --> 01:25:46,480
they'll it'll get closer and closer and

2473
01:25:50,229 --> 01:25:48,960
eventually it'll say hey maybe some of

2474
01:25:51,669 --> 01:25:50,239
that life's connected to what we're

2475
01:25:53,030 --> 01:25:51,679
seeing here in the atmosphere something

2476
01:25:55,510 --> 01:25:53,040
that no

2477
01:25:56,390 --> 01:25:55,520
you know astronomers willing to admit

2478
01:25:58,629 --> 01:25:56,400
yet

2479
01:26:00,390 --> 01:25:58,639
it's got or any people the study project

2480
01:26:02,629 --> 01:26:00,400
it's out there somewhere right not here

2481
01:26:04,149 --> 01:26:02,639
but maybe it's here that's it has to

2482
01:26:05,990 --> 01:26:04,159
happen that way andy because that's the

2483
01:26:07,910 --> 01:26:06,000
way our own fear levels work our own

2484
01:26:10,310 --> 01:26:07,920
consciousness you talked about and seen

2485
01:26:12,870 --> 01:26:10,320
anything scary during an rv session

2486
01:26:15,350 --> 01:26:12,880
but what we're about to encounter could

2487
01:26:17,350 --> 01:26:15,360
be scary for some people if they haven't

2488
01:26:18,950 --> 01:26:17,360
listened to your podcast for example or

2489
01:26:20,950 --> 01:26:18,960
watch my youtube videos or other

2490
01:26:22,950 --> 01:26:20,960
people's youtube channels people are

2491
01:26:24,629 --> 01:26:22,960
talking about this uh people from the

2492
01:26:25,910 --> 01:26:24,639
government are coming forward to us

2493
01:26:27,910 --> 01:26:25,920
right now who've worked for the

2494
01:26:29,350 --> 01:26:27,920
government very recently and said this

2495
01:26:30,390 --> 01:26:29,360
is a real topic your government's

2496
01:26:32,149 --> 01:26:30,400
concerned about this but they're not

2497
01:26:33,669 --> 01:26:32,159
telling you

2498
01:26:35,510 --> 01:26:33,679
what that suggests to me is that they're

2499
01:26:36,470 --> 01:26:35,520
going to be these

2500
01:26:37,830 --> 01:26:36,480
uh

2501
01:26:41,189 --> 01:26:37,840
moments of

2502
01:26:42,550 --> 01:26:41,199
real uh breakthroughs of information

2503
01:26:43,830 --> 01:26:42,560
some people might not see it as a

2504
01:26:45,830 --> 01:26:43,840
breakthrough some people might see it as

2505
01:26:48,629 --> 01:26:45,840
chaos but people who've listened to this

2506
01:26:49,990 --> 01:26:48,639
podcast and other similar podcasts and

2507
01:26:51,990 --> 01:26:50,000
who've been researching the subject

2508
01:26:54,310 --> 01:26:52,000
won't be surprised when these things are

2509
01:26:56,390 --> 01:26:54,320
deemed to be true i was told that nasa

2510
01:26:57,990 --> 01:26:56,400
has a timetable for releasing this

2511
01:26:59,750 --> 01:26:58,000
information that's what they told

2512
01:27:01,510 --> 01:26:59,760
richard hoover

2513
01:27:03,110 --> 01:27:01,520
according to what he told me is that

2514
01:27:04,390 --> 01:27:03,120
they had their own timetable and he was

2515
01:27:06,550 --> 01:27:04,400
getting ahead of it

2516
01:27:08,709 --> 01:27:06,560
they have a

2517
01:27:10,390 --> 01:27:08,719
chronology of releasing information this

2518
01:27:12,470 --> 01:27:10,400
information i imagine they think they're

2519
01:27:14,070 --> 01:27:12,480
doing it for our own benefit

2520
01:27:15,910 --> 01:27:14,080
i don't know what their motivations are

2521
01:27:17,830 --> 01:27:15,920
exactly but they seem to be a little

2522
01:27:19,830 --> 01:27:17,840
behind the curve but yeah i think that's

2523
01:27:20,950 --> 01:27:19,840
how it's going to happen and eventually

2524
01:27:22,390 --> 01:27:20,960
someone will

2525
01:27:24,310 --> 01:27:22,400
come forward with information that

2526
01:27:25,669 --> 01:27:24,320
they're actually

2527
01:27:27,510 --> 01:27:25,679
your neighbor or you're here they're

2528
01:27:29,030 --> 01:27:27,520
here they're around you and you just

2529
01:27:30,550 --> 01:27:29,040
haven't seen them the whole time

2530
01:27:32,149 --> 01:27:30,560
something like that

2531
01:27:33,750 --> 01:27:32,159
i i can't see it working out any other

2532
01:27:36,790 --> 01:27:33,760
way because

2533
01:27:39,030 --> 01:27:36,800
if this is what reality is

2534
01:27:40,070 --> 01:27:39,040
well let me preface that by saying in

2535
01:27:41,430 --> 01:27:40,080
science

2536
01:27:43,590 --> 01:27:41,440
there's this idea which i think is

2537
01:27:45,110 --> 01:27:43,600
largely true that no one ever discovers

2538
01:27:47,510 --> 01:27:45,120
anything in technology that nature

2539
01:27:49,590 --> 01:27:47,520
hadn't already invented somewhere

2540
01:27:51,430 --> 01:27:49,600
right if you look somewhere nature was

2541
01:27:53,990 --> 01:27:51,440
already doing it and we created it

2542
01:27:55,350 --> 01:27:54,000
technologically i mean even plants have

2543
01:27:57,510 --> 01:27:55,360
a way of

2544
01:28:00,390 --> 01:27:57,520
uh keeping

2545
01:28:01,910 --> 01:28:00,400
photons in a macroscopic state

2546
01:28:04,629 --> 01:28:01,920
to get the right frequency they want a

2547
01:28:06,070 --> 01:28:04,639
superposition right kind of a mini world

2548
01:28:07,189 --> 01:28:06,080
kind of way of looking at the way plants

2549
01:28:08,870 --> 01:28:07,199
deal with reality and then kind of

2550
01:28:10,790 --> 01:28:08,880
getting the frequency they want so the

2551
01:28:12,149 --> 01:28:10,800
plants are using quantum mechanics to

2552
01:28:12,870 --> 01:28:12,159
generate energy

2553
01:28:14,550 --> 01:28:12,880
so

2554
01:28:17,350 --> 01:28:14,560
if that's true that nature was already

2555
01:28:18,470 --> 01:28:17,360
doing it then with this whole et

2556
01:28:19,750 --> 01:28:18,480
question

2557
01:28:22,629 --> 01:28:19,760
they would already have to be here right

2558
01:28:24,629 --> 01:28:22,639
now i'm talking literally right now in

2559
01:28:26,149 --> 01:28:24,639
your vicinity you don't see them yet

2560
01:28:29,270 --> 01:28:26,159
either because your conscious mind is

2561
01:28:30,950 --> 01:28:29,280
not comfortable with it or for a number

2562
01:28:34,470 --> 01:28:30,960
of reasons it's got to be there right

2563
01:28:36,709 --> 01:28:34,480
now and the change will be in us

2564
01:28:39,350 --> 01:28:36,719
i'm serious the change will be our

2565
01:28:41,030 --> 01:28:39,360
ability as a society to collectively

2566
01:28:42,709 --> 01:28:41,040
assimilate this information without

2567
01:28:44,390 --> 01:28:42,719
everyone flipping out

2568
01:28:45,350 --> 01:28:44,400
that's how it's going to come down in my

2569
01:28:47,110 --> 01:28:45,360
view

2570
01:28:48,470 --> 01:28:47,120
i love that answer we've got a lot of

2571
01:28:49,830 --> 01:28:48,480
listener questions so let's get into

2572
01:28:52,310 --> 01:28:49,840
those some before we move on to the

2573
01:28:54,470 --> 01:28:52,320
quick fire round to finish off um my

2574
01:28:56,310 --> 01:28:54,480
regular co-host dan on many of the

2575
01:28:57,830 --> 01:28:56,320
spin-off shows that i do and you've

2576
01:29:00,229 --> 01:28:57,840
already answered one of his questions

2577
01:29:02,310 --> 01:29:00,239
around uh anomalous readings from

2578
01:29:04,550 --> 01:29:02,320
human-made and man-made crop circles so

2579
01:29:06,470 --> 01:29:04,560
that's great he also wanted to know do

2580
01:29:08,950 --> 01:29:06,480
you think there are any connections

2581
01:29:12,149 --> 01:29:08,960
between the phenomenon and creativity

2582
01:29:14,070 --> 01:29:12,159
and they put ie where ideas come from

2583
01:29:15,990 --> 01:29:14,080
yeah that's a no that's a great question

2584
01:29:18,629 --> 01:29:16,000
and that's a big question

2585
01:29:21,189 --> 01:29:18,639
and this is something that uh i work on

2586
01:29:23,590 --> 01:29:21,199
every day because i actually

2587
01:29:25,990 --> 01:29:23,600
uh i teach classes in this how to how

2588
01:29:27,669 --> 01:29:26,000
people can tap into their own

2589
01:29:29,510 --> 01:29:27,679
creativity using some of these

2590
01:29:30,950 --> 01:29:29,520
principles i mean i call it human fusion

2591
01:29:33,750 --> 01:29:30,960
but i'm not trying to promote that i'm

2592
01:29:36,870 --> 01:29:33,760
just saying that is where this all leads

2593
01:29:39,910 --> 01:29:36,880
it's not just in paranormal phenomena as

2594
01:29:42,790 --> 01:29:39,920
we call it anomalous phenomena uaps

2595
01:29:44,870 --> 01:29:42,800
things that we consider to be different

2596
01:29:46,390 --> 01:29:44,880
what aspects of ourselves have we

2597
01:29:48,550 --> 01:29:46,400
consider to be so different that we're

2598
01:29:49,590 --> 01:29:48,560
not using our full potential as humans i

2599
01:29:50,870 --> 01:29:49,600
mean don't you think that's where this

2600
01:29:52,390 --> 01:29:50,880
all comes down to

2601
01:29:54,550 --> 01:29:52,400
and this is why

2602
01:29:56,390 --> 01:29:54,560
we're kind of in a delay mode with

2603
01:29:58,390 --> 01:29:56,400
recognizing these phenomena

2604
01:30:00,149 --> 01:29:58,400
is we can't recognize stuff that's out

2605
01:30:02,390 --> 01:30:00,159
there until we recognize it in ourselves

2606
01:30:04,229 --> 01:30:02,400
first you got to have the equipment

2607
01:30:05,430 --> 01:30:04,239
before you can perceive the frequencies

2608
01:30:06,390 --> 01:30:05,440
right

2609
01:30:09,270 --> 01:30:06,400
and

2610
01:30:12,390 --> 01:30:09,280
getting involved in this these phenomena

2611
01:30:14,870 --> 01:30:12,400
is intrinsically related to creativity

2612
01:30:16,229 --> 01:30:14,880
this is what ingo swann said a long time

2613
01:30:17,990 --> 01:30:16,239
ago at one of the conferences when i

2614
01:30:19,270 --> 01:30:18,000
asked him ingo you know at the end of

2615
01:30:21,910 --> 01:30:19,280
his lectures

2616
01:30:24,149 --> 01:30:21,920
it was in uh north vegas

2617
01:30:26,070 --> 01:30:24,159
and he said uh

2618
01:30:27,830 --> 01:30:26,080
who i said who's a good viewer and he

2619
01:30:28,870 --> 01:30:27,840
said artists and musicians because

2620
01:30:31,270 --> 01:30:28,880
they're already open to their own

2621
01:30:33,590 --> 01:30:31,280
creativity so

2622
01:30:35,669 --> 01:30:33,600
i'm really glad that the listener asked

2623
01:30:37,990 --> 01:30:35,679
this question because there is no way we

2624
01:30:40,070 --> 01:30:38,000
can engage these phenomena unless we

2625
01:30:41,990 --> 01:30:40,080
develop ourselves too to get up to that

2626
01:30:43,669 --> 01:30:42,000
frequency right we have to be at the

2627
01:30:45,750 --> 01:30:43,679
frequency those phenomena the reason we

2628
01:30:47,830 --> 01:30:45,760
don't perceive them on a more frequent

2629
01:30:50,149 --> 01:30:47,840
basis is the frequency is probably a lot

2630
01:30:51,669 --> 01:30:50,159
higher than ours you know

2631
01:30:53,510 --> 01:30:51,679
technically higher

2632
01:30:56,310 --> 01:30:53,520
and so we probably can't perceive it

2633
01:30:57,910 --> 01:30:56,320
until we kind of get our frequency a

2634
01:30:59,590 --> 01:30:57,920
little higher and by that i mean you

2635
01:31:01,910 --> 01:30:59,600
know the things that you believe your

2636
01:31:03,510 --> 01:31:01,920
ideas all of that kind of creates a

2637
01:31:05,430 --> 01:31:03,520
frequency you could probably measure it

2638
01:31:06,870 --> 01:31:05,440
if you had a tricorder from star trek

2639
01:31:08,629 --> 01:31:06,880
i'm not talking metaphysically here i'm

2640
01:31:10,149 --> 01:31:08,639
telling you we have a frequency

2641
01:31:12,149 --> 01:31:10,159
i mean literally

2642
01:31:14,229 --> 01:31:12,159
and if the frequency of those things is

2643
01:31:15,910 --> 01:31:14,239
too different from our frequency we're

2644
01:31:17,350 --> 01:31:15,920
not going to match up right now you and

2645
01:31:19,030 --> 01:31:17,360
i are able to have a conversation

2646
01:31:20,790 --> 01:31:19,040
because we are on the same frequency

2647
01:31:22,709 --> 01:31:20,800
doesn't matter whether it's a radio or

2648
01:31:24,870 --> 01:31:22,719
whether it's going through the internet

2649
01:31:27,430 --> 01:31:24,880
we're on the same frequencies to be able

2650
01:31:28,470 --> 01:31:27,440
to communicate wi-fi and all that

2651
01:31:30,149 --> 01:31:28,480
so

2652
01:31:31,430 --> 01:31:30,159
it does have to do with our creativity

2653
01:31:32,629 --> 01:31:31,440
and when you get involved in these

2654
01:31:34,709 --> 01:31:32,639
subjects let me just say one more thing

2655
01:31:36,950 --> 01:31:34,719
really interesting interesting to answer

2656
01:31:38,870 --> 01:31:36,960
that question there are many people i've

2657
01:31:40,629 --> 01:31:38,880
been around who've taken my classes or

2658
01:31:43,669 --> 01:31:40,639
have just been around them

2659
01:31:47,270 --> 01:31:43,679
during their training who spontaneously

2660
01:31:49,430 --> 01:31:47,280
started to become artists

2661
01:31:52,790 --> 01:31:49,440
after learning resonant viewing

2662
01:31:53,830 --> 01:31:52,800
they just started drawing one day or one

2663
01:31:55,669 --> 01:31:53,840
evening

2664
01:31:57,189 --> 01:31:55,679
it just kind of came from nowhere also

2665
01:31:59,189 --> 01:31:57,199
they found that they were artists and

2666
01:32:00,550 --> 01:31:59,199
they'd never known it you sort of see

2667
01:32:02,550 --> 01:32:00,560
what i'm talking about

2668
01:32:04,790 --> 01:32:02,560
they hadn't been using their full

2669
01:32:06,629 --> 01:32:04,800
uh brain power or their full awareness

2670
01:32:08,950 --> 01:32:06,639
their full consciousness perhaps

2671
01:32:10,709 --> 01:32:08,960
and somehow it opened the door and they

2672
01:32:12,709 --> 01:32:10,719
discovered their own abilities that they

2673
01:32:13,990 --> 01:32:12,719
didn't have and i've seen this many many

2674
01:32:15,750 --> 01:32:14,000
times now i know people that have

2675
01:32:17,750 --> 01:32:15,760
developed spontaneous artistic ability

2676
01:32:19,910 --> 01:32:17,760
from learning rv yeah

2677
01:32:21,669 --> 01:32:19,920
to go to the question of creativity

2678
01:32:24,070 --> 01:32:21,679
that's the most important thing here

2679
01:32:25,750 --> 01:32:24,080
it's not just developing a technology

2680
01:32:27,669 --> 01:32:25,760
that's more sensitive that it can detect

2681
01:32:28,870 --> 01:32:27,679
these frequencies and see these objects

2682
01:32:30,070 --> 01:32:28,880
up there in our atmosphere and our

2683
01:32:31,990 --> 01:32:30,080
oceans

2684
01:32:34,390 --> 01:32:32,000
that's important too

2685
01:32:36,470 --> 01:32:34,400
but we have to upgrade our own

2686
01:32:37,990 --> 01:32:36,480
frequencies our own

2687
01:32:39,990 --> 01:32:38,000
abilities our own

2688
01:32:40,709 --> 01:32:40,000
software that makes us work as humans

2689
01:32:41,830 --> 01:32:40,719
right

2690
01:32:45,030 --> 01:32:41,840
absolutely

2691
01:32:46,550 --> 01:32:45,040
the bigger sense of reality because

2692
01:32:48,229 --> 01:32:46,560
as we're saying a few minutes ago it's

2693
01:32:50,550 --> 01:32:48,239
all out there already we're the ones

2694
01:32:51,270 --> 01:32:50,560
that have the limitations to perceiving

2695
01:32:53,669 --> 01:32:51,280
it

2696
01:32:54,950 --> 01:32:53,679
for whatever reason uh may not be

2697
01:32:56,310 --> 01:32:54,960
something you want to perceive which is

2698
01:32:58,550 --> 01:32:56,320
fine but for those of us that are

2699
01:33:00,470 --> 01:32:58,560
interested to look at these phenomena

2700
01:33:04,070 --> 01:33:00,480
without being ridiculed and attacked and

2701
01:33:06,149 --> 01:33:04,080
castigated by the rest of society

2702
01:33:08,550 --> 01:33:06,159
we need to become more sensitive in a

2703
01:33:10,870 --> 01:33:08,560
lot of ways and we need to become more

2704
01:33:12,470 --> 01:33:10,880
of who we are to see more of what's out

2705
01:33:14,550 --> 01:33:12,480
there that's really what i ultimately

2706
01:33:17,510 --> 01:33:14,560
believe unless we're

2707
01:33:19,990 --> 01:33:17,520
fully present and

2708
01:33:21,189 --> 01:33:20,000
doing what we do each of us in our own

2709
01:33:22,870 --> 01:33:21,199
each of us has different abilities and

2710
01:33:24,470 --> 01:33:22,880
skills and and

2711
01:33:26,629 --> 01:33:24,480
things that we're interested in unless

2712
01:33:28,550 --> 01:33:26,639
we're doing that 100

2713
01:33:30,790 --> 01:33:28,560
we're not going to be there for those

2714
01:33:33,030 --> 01:33:30,800
phenomena because they're you know

2715
01:33:36,229 --> 01:33:33,040
they're out there but they're at kind of

2716
01:33:38,550 --> 01:33:36,239
a different level different frequency if

2717
01:33:40,629 --> 01:33:38,560
we're not here completely we won't

2718
01:33:41,990 --> 01:33:40,639
perceive him so that's a really great

2719
01:33:43,510 --> 01:33:42,000
question and i think it has a lot to do

2720
01:33:45,350 --> 01:33:43,520
with creativity

2721
01:33:47,270 --> 01:33:45,360
dan's next question is when he likes to

2722
01:33:49,590 --> 01:33:47,280
ask all the guests um and it's far

2723
01:33:54,149 --> 01:33:49,600
simpler for you to answer it's are you a

2724
01:34:07,830 --> 01:33:55,430
i

2725
01:34:10,149 --> 01:34:07,840
world

2726
01:34:11,990 --> 01:34:10,159
dogs are no you gotta love dogs dogs are

2727
01:34:13,830 --> 01:34:12,000
great too i mean they're just wonderful

2728
01:34:16,550 --> 01:34:13,840
companions they're both great so i've

2729
01:34:17,350 --> 01:34:16,560
had both dogs i've had both cats and i

2730
01:34:20,149 --> 01:34:17,360
say

2731
01:34:21,750 --> 01:34:20,159
i i all of the animal uh all of the

2732
01:34:23,350 --> 01:34:21,760
animal species are fantastic they each

2733
01:34:25,510 --> 01:34:23,360
have their own way of you know showing

2734
01:34:27,030 --> 01:34:25,520
you something so i thought by going

2735
01:34:29,270 --> 01:34:27,040
whale you were going with the outlier

2736
01:34:31,430 --> 01:34:29,280
rather than the mean uh data that cats

2737
01:34:33,030 --> 01:34:31,440
or dogs would usually be so

2738
01:34:36,310 --> 01:34:33,040
well andy some people do think that

2739
01:34:37,510 --> 01:34:36,320
whales are actually extraterrestrials

2740
01:34:39,830 --> 01:34:37,520
do you know what yeah i've had a

2741
01:34:41,910 --> 01:34:39,840
conversation off here similar to that

2742
01:34:43,189 --> 01:34:41,920
recently so yeah i'll say no more at the

2743
01:34:44,950 --> 01:34:43,199
minute but yeah

2744
01:34:47,189 --> 01:34:44,960
i've had my conversation you have a good

2745
01:34:49,270 --> 01:34:47,199
spin on it too it's also the outlier so

2746
01:34:50,470 --> 01:34:49,280
yeah yeah uh-huh yeah there's there's

2747
01:34:52,790 --> 01:34:50,480
something there that i'll talk about

2748
01:34:55,109 --> 01:34:52,800
down the line i'm sure um

2749
01:34:56,950 --> 01:34:55,119
the next question so we had stephen he

2750
01:34:58,950 --> 01:34:56,960
asked have you ever tried to use

2751
01:35:00,950 --> 01:34:58,960
resonance viewing to check for life on

2752
01:35:02,709 --> 01:35:00,960
exoplanets

2753
01:35:04,790 --> 01:35:02,719
yeah now we've done this occasionally

2754
01:35:06,790 --> 01:35:04,800
and uh i haven't done it just like

2755
01:35:08,709 --> 01:35:06,800
looking for bacteria or something and

2756
01:35:10,870 --> 01:35:08,719
again it goes back to the question i

2757
01:35:12,629 --> 01:35:10,880
think it was steve right

2758
01:35:15,669 --> 01:35:12,639
you know without feedback you don't

2759
01:35:17,510 --> 01:35:15,679
really know an rv takes a lot of energy

2760
01:35:18,790 --> 01:35:17,520
i mean to sit down and do a session for

2761
01:35:20,390 --> 01:35:18,800
an hour

2762
01:35:22,629 --> 01:35:20,400
it's going to take something out of you

2763
01:35:25,350 --> 01:35:22,639
it's a lot of uh it's not focused it's

2764
01:35:27,030 --> 01:35:25,360
learning to uh stop your conscious mind

2765
01:35:29,669 --> 01:35:27,040
from interfering with your flow of

2766
01:35:31,430 --> 01:35:29,679
perception for hour two hours whatever

2767
01:35:33,590 --> 01:35:31,440
how long you do the session even 15

2768
01:35:34,390 --> 01:35:33,600
minutes it takes some real energy

2769
01:35:36,229 --> 01:35:34,400
so

2770
01:35:38,149 --> 01:35:36,239
um

2771
01:35:39,669 --> 01:35:38,159
the reason you just don't go about

2772
01:35:40,790 --> 01:35:39,679
viewing everything is at the end of the

2773
01:35:42,950 --> 01:35:40,800
day

2774
01:35:44,550 --> 01:35:42,960
handy and steve if you can't get

2775
01:35:46,310 --> 01:35:44,560
feedback

2776
01:35:47,910 --> 01:35:46,320
you don't really know what you did now

2777
01:35:50,310 --> 01:35:47,920
it doesn't mean it's wrong it's just

2778
01:35:51,910 --> 01:35:50,320
again it's an ango can't confirm

2779
01:35:55,350 --> 01:35:51,920
and there's only so many of those can't

2780
01:35:57,990 --> 01:35:55,360
confirm targets you can do before

2781
01:36:00,950 --> 01:35:58,000
you feel like um if you don't really

2782
01:36:03,590 --> 01:36:00,960
know then there's no resolution

2783
01:36:05,350 --> 01:36:03,600
and it doesn't quite satisfy now when

2784
01:36:07,270 --> 01:36:05,360
you're looking for treasure and things

2785
01:36:08,709 --> 01:36:07,280
like this buried treasure i mean there

2786
01:36:11,189 --> 01:36:08,719
are people that do this and are

2787
01:36:13,910 --> 01:36:11,199
successful at it and that's feedback you

2788
01:36:15,590 --> 01:36:13,920
found what you were looking for

2789
01:36:16,870 --> 01:36:15,600
and that's fantastic but with these

2790
01:36:19,669 --> 01:36:16,880
other ones

2791
01:36:22,390 --> 01:36:19,679
i prefer to research those targets by

2792
01:36:23,669 --> 01:36:22,400
just reading a lot of science magazines

2793
01:36:24,470 --> 01:36:23,679
every day

2794
01:36:26,310 --> 01:36:24,480
just

2795
01:36:27,510 --> 01:36:26,320
to gather as much information again i'm

2796
01:36:29,590 --> 01:36:27,520
just going to say i think a lot of the

2797
01:36:31,189 --> 01:36:29,600
information is already out there it's

2798
01:36:32,709 --> 01:36:31,199
incumbent upon

2799
01:36:34,070 --> 01:36:32,719
those of us who research these topics

2800
01:36:36,470 --> 01:36:34,080
don't quit but you know it's like

2801
01:36:38,470 --> 01:36:36,480
einstein said be stubborn

2802
01:36:41,350 --> 01:36:38,480
really seriously folks be stubborn

2803
01:36:43,830 --> 01:36:41,360
you've got the data we've got the data

2804
01:36:45,109 --> 01:36:43,840
stick with it and don't give any ground

2805
01:36:47,350 --> 01:36:45,119
here it's the only way we're going to

2806
01:36:48,629 --> 01:36:47,360
make progress that's what einstein told

2807
01:36:51,350 --> 01:36:48,639
us to do we're going to

2808
01:36:53,430 --> 01:36:51,360
stick with it because no listen nobody

2809
01:36:55,350 --> 01:36:53,440
believes new things throughout the

2810
01:36:57,430 --> 01:36:55,360
history of science or history of society

2811
01:36:58,950 --> 01:36:57,440
nobody ever believes anything new we're

2812
01:37:00,229 --> 01:36:58,960
like a hundred years we don't wanna wait

2813
01:37:02,470 --> 01:37:00,239
that long

2814
01:37:04,149 --> 01:37:02,480
you gotta you gotta really stick to it

2815
01:37:07,189 --> 01:37:04,159
and so that's where you put your energy

2816
01:37:09,030 --> 01:37:07,199
more into than under viral targets

2817
01:37:11,430 --> 01:37:09,040
you mentioned they are being stubborn

2818
01:37:13,750 --> 01:37:11,440
the next question from craig is have you

2819
01:37:17,350 --> 01:37:13,760
ever used residence viewing to look

2820
01:37:19,750 --> 01:37:17,360
forward to the us election results

2821
01:37:23,430 --> 01:37:19,760
we have done that sometimes uh in the

2822
01:37:25,030 --> 01:37:23,440
past we've used it with sports games

2823
01:37:26,790 --> 01:37:25,040
let's be honest there's a technique that

2824
01:37:29,189 --> 01:37:26,800
does it week by week

2825
01:37:31,109 --> 01:37:29,199
uh with it's called arv i'll be it's

2826
01:37:32,870 --> 01:37:31,119
called associative rv

2827
01:37:34,149 --> 01:37:32,880
and you just take two targets and you

2828
01:37:35,910 --> 01:37:34,159
just view which one you're going to be

2829
01:37:37,189 --> 01:37:35,920
shown at a later date and you assign

2830
01:37:38,550 --> 01:37:37,199
them to the targets ahead of time you

2831
01:37:39,750 --> 01:37:38,560
have someone else help you or you can do

2832
01:37:42,550 --> 01:37:39,760
it by yourself

2833
01:37:44,470 --> 01:37:42,560
greg kolodzik i think his name is

2834
01:37:45,910 --> 01:37:44,480
uh did this by himself and

2835
01:37:49,030 --> 01:37:45,920
was very successful just using it with

2836
01:37:50,550 --> 01:37:49,040
the futures market uh with uh stock

2837
01:37:52,470 --> 01:37:50,560
options and things like this

2838
01:37:53,830 --> 01:37:52,480
um

2839
01:37:55,590 --> 01:37:53,840
he made quite a bit of money but he said

2840
01:37:57,510 --> 01:37:55,600
it wasn't enough to make it worth the

2841
01:38:00,149 --> 01:37:57,520
13-year project but it showed that rv

2842
01:38:01,910 --> 01:38:00,159
really worked he got like 67 hit rate

2843
01:38:03,750 --> 01:38:01,920
so you can use it for these binary

2844
01:38:05,669 --> 01:38:03,760
events and you know we have done it in

2845
01:38:08,470 --> 01:38:05,679
the past i can't remember

2846
01:38:10,709 --> 01:38:08,480
sometimes it's you know way far out so i

2847
01:38:12,709 --> 01:38:10,719
guess that would i guess your question

2848
01:38:15,910 --> 01:38:12,719
the question would be who's going to win

2849
01:38:17,669 --> 01:38:15,920
right the u.s election yeah yeah and

2850
01:38:19,669 --> 01:38:17,679
then we'd get feedback it's not that far

2851
01:38:22,070 --> 01:38:19,679
away it's about two months away right

2852
01:38:24,550 --> 01:38:22,080
yep i mean as we recalled this

2853
01:38:25,590 --> 01:38:24,560
the debate was just last night um so

2854
01:38:29,350 --> 01:38:25,600
yeah

2855
01:38:31,990 --> 01:38:29,360
listening yes no i didn't watch i

2856
01:38:34,870 --> 01:38:32,000
watched that andy and you know that just

2857
01:38:36,629 --> 01:38:34,880
reminded me so much of these topics

2858
01:38:38,629 --> 01:38:36,639
because how many times have we had good

2859
01:38:40,390 --> 01:38:38,639
data and you got someone who's loud and

2860
01:38:42,470 --> 01:38:40,400
obnoxious about it and does these

2861
01:38:45,109 --> 01:38:42,480
personal attacks ad hominem attacks you

2862
01:38:46,470 --> 01:38:45,119
know the techniques that trump used

2863
01:38:48,550 --> 01:38:46,480
last night

2864
01:38:50,870 --> 01:38:48,560
he did it a lot more than biden it was

2865
01:38:53,189 --> 01:38:50,880
ad hominem attacks right

2866
01:38:54,550 --> 01:38:53,199
and isn't this the technique that the

2867
01:38:57,350 --> 01:38:54,560
government has used against ufo

2868
01:38:58,629 --> 01:38:57,360
witnesses for so long is you don't talk

2869
01:38:59,910 --> 01:38:58,639
about the data you just attack the

2870
01:39:01,590 --> 01:38:59,920
person and you find something in their

2871
01:39:03,430 --> 01:39:01,600
history or something right

2872
01:39:04,950 --> 01:39:03,440
that's what all i'm saying is about the

2873
01:39:08,070 --> 01:39:04,960
debates that's what it reminded me of

2874
01:39:09,510 --> 01:39:08,080
don't talk about the facts just attack

2875
01:39:13,510 --> 01:39:09,520
something personal

2876
01:39:15,750 --> 01:39:13,520
and avoid dealing with the issues

2877
01:39:16,390 --> 01:39:15,760
yeah it's also like the whole thing you

2878
01:39:18,070 --> 01:39:16,400
know

2879
01:39:21,430 --> 01:39:18,080
i hate the term fake news right because

2880
01:39:23,510 --> 01:39:21,440
it's it's nonsense um but the idea that

2881
01:39:25,109 --> 01:39:23,520
you've got all these ufo videos online

2882
01:39:26,390 --> 01:39:25,119
of which most of them are clearly

2883
01:39:29,109 --> 01:39:26,400
nonsense however

2884
01:39:31,510 --> 01:39:29,119
of all the ones that have been debunked

2885
01:39:33,830 --> 01:39:31,520
or people largely believe aren't real

2886
01:39:35,510 --> 01:39:33,840
there's a good chance there's maybe one

2887
01:39:37,910 --> 01:39:35,520
out there or two that are actually

2888
01:39:39,189 --> 01:39:37,920
genuine but and amongst all the nonsense

2889
01:39:41,030 --> 01:39:39,199
just get lost

2890
01:39:42,470 --> 01:39:41,040
um and it was someone was asking me this

2891
01:39:43,830 --> 01:39:42,480
on twitter just the other day and i was

2892
01:39:45,030 --> 01:39:43,840
like yeah there's probably a couple out

2893
01:39:46,950 --> 01:39:45,040
there that

2894
01:39:50,390 --> 01:39:46,960
whether you know the famous skinny bob

2895
01:39:52,629 --> 01:39:50,400
footage or there's the the viral um

2896
01:39:54,550 --> 01:39:52,639
alien that's talking about it's it's us

2897
01:39:56,229 --> 01:39:54,560
from the future and has came back and

2898
01:39:57,109 --> 01:39:56,239
it's subtitled and quite professionally

2899
01:39:59,590 --> 01:39:57,119
done

2900
01:40:00,709 --> 01:39:59,600
again i would it's clearly it's clearly

2901
01:40:02,629 --> 01:40:00,719
been made

2902
01:40:03,750 --> 01:40:02,639
but it looks really professional and

2903
01:40:05,590 --> 01:40:03,760
there's no doubt there's something

2904
01:40:07,830 --> 01:40:05,600
potentially out there that's real or

2905
01:40:09,270 --> 01:40:07,840
genuine footage in a picture but all you

2906
01:40:11,270 --> 01:40:09,280
have to do if you're a government is

2907
01:40:13,270 --> 01:40:11,280
throw a lot of rubbish out there amongst

2908
01:40:16,070 --> 01:40:13,280
it and it just gets lost in the ether

2909
01:40:17,189 --> 01:40:16,080
because it just all becomes nonsense

2910
01:40:19,030 --> 01:40:17,199
and right

2911
01:40:20,629 --> 01:40:19,040
that's true that is definitely true

2912
01:40:22,709 --> 01:40:20,639
we've had a lot of that but keep in mind

2913
01:40:24,470 --> 01:40:22,719
the other way of looking at it is that

2914
01:40:27,030 --> 01:40:24,480
that

2915
01:40:29,750 --> 01:40:27,040
the disinformation eventually conditions

2916
01:40:31,750 --> 01:40:29,760
people to be open to the truth

2917
01:40:35,270 --> 01:40:31,760
it can work that way too

2918
01:40:37,430 --> 01:40:35,280
in other words if you keep putting

2919
01:40:39,590 --> 01:40:37,440
aliens holding hands with president

2920
01:40:43,510 --> 01:40:39,600
clinton on the cover of the national

2921
01:40:45,510 --> 01:40:43,520
enquirer one of our tabloids here yeah

2922
01:40:47,030 --> 01:40:45,520
eventually it doesn't seem as strange

2923
01:40:49,109 --> 01:40:47,040
when you really find out that something

2924
01:40:52,070 --> 01:40:49,119
like that happened

2925
01:40:54,149 --> 01:40:52,080
so it actually can go both ways it can

2926
01:40:57,350 --> 01:40:54,159
confuse what the truth is but it can

2927
01:40:59,350 --> 01:40:57,360
also make people less afraid of it just

2928
01:41:00,709 --> 01:40:59,360
because they can laugh at it for a while

2929
01:41:03,189 --> 01:41:00,719
i mean

2930
01:41:04,390 --> 01:41:03,199
there's there's multiple ways to see it

2931
01:41:06,790 --> 01:41:04,400
it's not necessarily

2932
01:41:08,229 --> 01:41:06,800
bad thing just because it's a

2933
01:41:09,590 --> 01:41:08,239
representation

2934
01:41:11,189 --> 01:41:09,600
right sure

2935
01:41:12,310 --> 01:41:11,199
it could get people open to the real

2936
01:41:14,390 --> 01:41:12,320
thing

2937
01:41:16,470 --> 01:41:14,400
breakwater on twitter you answered the

2938
01:41:17,990 --> 01:41:16,480
question already around crop circles and

2939
01:41:20,229 --> 01:41:18,000
investigations of some of the best ones

2940
01:41:22,470 --> 01:41:20,239
so thank you for that question um

2941
01:41:24,470 --> 01:41:22,480
concept on twitter was asking do you

2942
01:41:27,910 --> 01:41:24,480
think there is any link between neural

2943
01:41:29,750 --> 01:41:27,920
plasticity and resonance viewing

2944
01:41:32,149 --> 01:41:29,760
yeah definitely uh neurosp

2945
01:41:33,590 --> 01:41:32,159
neuroplasticity is very a very important

2946
01:41:36,070 --> 01:41:33,600
topic because

2947
01:41:38,550 --> 01:41:36,080
our brains literally change

2948
01:41:43,350 --> 01:41:41,030
the things that we're exposed to over

2949
01:41:44,629 --> 01:41:43,360
time and the way we interpret

2950
01:41:46,709 --> 01:41:44,639
what they are

2951
01:41:49,430 --> 01:41:46,719
and uh

2952
01:41:50,950 --> 01:41:49,440
part of resonant viewing is getting the

2953
01:41:53,109 --> 01:41:50,960
left and the right hemispheres of our

2954
01:41:55,990 --> 01:41:53,119
brain communicating a little bit through

2955
01:41:58,629 --> 01:41:56,000
the corpus callosum right this bridge

2956
01:42:02,149 --> 01:41:58,639
between the two hemispheres of the brain

2957
01:42:03,430 --> 01:42:02,159
and uh they always don't always do a

2958
01:42:05,910 --> 01:42:03,440
good job of that

2959
01:42:07,590 --> 01:42:05,920
so there is this sort of

2960
01:42:09,270 --> 01:42:07,600
we hear a lot about this

2961
01:42:11,990 --> 01:42:09,280
from neuroscience these days but it

2962
01:42:15,669 --> 01:42:12,000
really is true there's this topic called

2963
01:42:16,790 --> 01:42:15,679
long-term potentiation of your neurons

2964
01:42:20,629 --> 01:42:16,800
and it's

2965
01:42:23,590 --> 01:42:20,639
things that get repeated and you know

2966
01:42:24,470 --> 01:42:23,600
the same neurons that fire together wire

2967
01:42:25,750 --> 01:42:24,480
together

2968
01:42:27,430 --> 01:42:25,760
heard that one

2969
01:42:31,830 --> 01:42:27,440
it's the idea that

2970
01:42:34,950 --> 01:42:31,840
their our brain literally changes to

2971
01:42:36,550 --> 01:42:34,960
be able to process these phenomena more

2972
01:42:38,950 --> 01:42:36,560
the more we're exposed to them and the

2973
01:42:43,510 --> 01:42:38,960
more we engage them in a

2974
01:42:47,189 --> 01:42:43,520
uh you know in is just a sincere way

2975
01:42:49,189 --> 01:42:47,199
so yeah neuro over time your brain does

2976
01:42:49,990 --> 01:42:49,199
change with rv

2977
01:42:51,669 --> 01:42:50,000
to

2978
01:42:54,709 --> 01:42:51,679
i would say even become

2979
01:42:56,950 --> 01:42:54,719
a little more sensitive to subtle things

2980
01:42:58,470 --> 01:42:56,960
that you perceive that maybe in the past

2981
01:42:59,590 --> 01:42:58,480
you would have just pushed away and

2982
01:43:01,510 --> 01:42:59,600
brushed aside

2983
01:43:03,350 --> 01:43:01,520
now you're willing to stop

2984
01:43:05,750 --> 01:43:03,360
and look at it a little more when you

2985
01:43:08,229 --> 01:43:05,760
start stopping and looking at those gut

2986
01:43:10,070 --> 01:43:08,239
feelings a little more you start doing

2987
01:43:12,310 --> 01:43:10,080
that with a lot of other things and

2988
01:43:13,430 --> 01:43:12,320
that's that is literally reflected in

2989
01:43:14,950 --> 01:43:13,440
the change in how the brain works

2990
01:43:17,830 --> 01:43:14,960
definitely

2991
01:43:20,709 --> 01:43:17,840
great question good answer um two more

2992
01:43:23,350 --> 01:43:20,719
uh shauna has asked does dr hain feel

2993
01:43:26,870 --> 01:43:23,360
he's ever interacted with et's on earth

2994
01:43:29,590 --> 01:43:27,830
you know

2995
01:43:32,310 --> 01:43:29,600
early on

2996
01:43:34,870 --> 01:43:32,320
uh before i started teaching rv i

2997
01:43:36,950 --> 01:43:34,880
actually you know once i had done the rv

2998
01:43:38,709 --> 01:43:36,960
training farsight i was thinking i was

2999
01:43:39,669 --> 01:43:38,719
just gonna go back to doing ordinary

3000
01:43:42,149 --> 01:43:39,679
things

3001
01:43:43,350 --> 01:43:42,159
i actually hadn't planned to continue

3002
01:43:44,709 --> 01:43:43,360
with it formally i mean it was

3003
01:43:48,310 --> 01:43:44,719
interesting and i would maybe have some

3004
01:43:50,950 --> 01:43:48,320
fun with it i did have this

3005
01:43:52,550 --> 01:43:50,960
you know experience this encounter

3006
01:43:55,990 --> 01:43:52,560
maybe it was a dream

3007
01:44:00,070 --> 01:43:56,000
maybe it wasn't but all i know was

3008
01:44:01,590 --> 01:44:00,080
i had a conversation in a waking state

3009
01:44:02,950 --> 01:44:01,600
i didn't feel like i was totally asleep

3010
01:44:05,270 --> 01:44:02,960
but i didn't feel like it was totally

3011
01:44:06,870 --> 01:44:05,280
awake either kind of in between like you

3012
01:44:09,750 --> 01:44:06,880
might feel like four or five a.m in the

3013
01:44:12,390 --> 01:44:09,760
morning and start to wake up

3014
01:44:14,629 --> 01:44:12,400
where i had this long conversation with

3015
01:44:17,270 --> 01:44:14,639
some entity that presented themselves as

3016
01:44:20,709 --> 01:44:17,280
an e.t that gave me instructions about

3017
01:44:22,950 --> 01:44:20,719
how to set up a an rv business i mean

3018
01:44:24,870 --> 01:44:22,960
they showed me maps

3019
01:44:27,430 --> 01:44:24,880
all sorts of ideas

3020
01:44:28,629 --> 01:44:27,440
it was a very uh direct conversation

3021
01:44:30,870 --> 01:44:28,639
about

3022
01:44:32,629 --> 01:44:30,880
the benefits of teaching

3023
01:44:35,270 --> 01:44:32,639
this to people

3024
01:44:37,669 --> 01:44:35,280
and i actually did it it was such a

3025
01:44:40,790 --> 01:44:37,679
strong you know quote-unquote dream it

3026
01:44:42,550 --> 01:44:40,800
actually led me to create the

3027
01:44:45,189 --> 01:44:42,560
you know mount baldy institute which has

3028
01:44:47,109 --> 01:44:45,199
been around now for

3029
01:44:51,750 --> 01:44:47,119
these 23 years

3030
01:44:53,750 --> 01:44:51,760
so that was an encounter perhaps with

3031
01:44:55,590 --> 01:44:53,760
some other sorts some other types of

3032
01:44:57,109 --> 01:44:55,600
beans you know in a dream type state of

3033
01:44:59,830 --> 01:44:57,119
course that's when it would sort of

3034
01:45:01,430 --> 01:44:59,840
happen when we're awake again our

3035
01:45:03,669 --> 01:45:01,440
conscious mind pushes things away that

3036
01:45:05,830 --> 01:45:03,679
don't fit our ordinary sense even people

3037
01:45:07,830 --> 01:45:05,840
like us who research these things it's

3038
01:45:09,830 --> 01:45:07,840
just too out of the ordinary

3039
01:45:11,189 --> 01:45:09,840
and perhaps that was some sort of real

3040
01:45:12,629 --> 01:45:11,199
communication

3041
01:45:14,790 --> 01:45:12,639
with the

3042
01:45:16,550 --> 01:45:14,800
beings of that type to

3043
01:45:17,910 --> 01:45:16,560
you know exchange some information but

3044
01:45:19,590 --> 01:45:17,920
that's what it felt like and that's all

3045
01:45:22,870 --> 01:45:19,600
i can say about it

3046
01:45:24,470 --> 01:45:22,880
and last question from andrew uh and i

3047
01:45:26,550 --> 01:45:24,480
can't my name's andrew and i can't even

3048
01:45:28,790 --> 01:45:26,560
say it with scottish accent so last

3049
01:45:31,030 --> 01:45:28,800
question from andy um have you ever been

3050
01:45:34,709 --> 01:45:31,040
tasked with through resonance viewing or

3051
01:45:36,709 --> 01:45:35,360
um

3052
01:45:39,189 --> 01:45:36,719
[Music]

3053
01:45:41,750 --> 01:45:39,199
other dimensions yeah there were well

3054
01:45:43,030 --> 01:45:41,760
there were other types of targets over

3055
01:45:45,590 --> 01:45:43,040
the years

3056
01:45:47,990 --> 01:45:45,600
that uh

3057
01:45:50,070 --> 01:45:48,000
would move in that direction

3058
01:45:52,149 --> 01:45:50,080
um

3059
01:45:55,109 --> 01:45:52,159
various types of extraterrestrial

3060
01:45:56,830 --> 01:45:55,119
targets could feel like that

3061
01:45:59,030 --> 01:45:56,840
you know there's this idea

3062
01:46:00,149 --> 01:45:59,040
that there are other

3063
01:46:02,310 --> 01:46:00,159
you know

3064
01:46:03,750 --> 01:46:02,320
other parallel realities to ours we

3065
01:46:05,510 --> 01:46:03,760
didn't even really get into that today

3066
01:46:07,030 --> 01:46:05,520
but that's a whole nother topic because

3067
01:46:09,030 --> 01:46:07,040
it's something that

3068
01:46:11,350 --> 01:46:09,040
i spent time on every day looking at but

3069
01:46:13,830 --> 01:46:11,360
yeah many theories many interacting

3070
01:46:16,709 --> 01:46:13,840
worlds all of that

3071
01:46:19,590 --> 01:46:16,719
and sometimes you do view targets that

3072
01:46:21,669 --> 01:46:19,600
feel like it's different and all you can

3073
01:46:23,030 --> 01:46:21,679
go go by is the feeling is very

3074
01:46:26,629 --> 01:46:23,040
different again at the end of the day

3075
01:46:28,470 --> 01:46:26,639
you don't have any feedback to really

3076
01:46:30,229 --> 01:46:28,480
know what you were getting but the

3077
01:46:32,310 --> 01:46:30,239
feeling was

3078
01:46:33,750 --> 01:46:32,320
uh just for example let's say you're

3079
01:46:37,750 --> 01:46:33,760
viewing

3080
01:46:41,750 --> 01:46:37,760
a individual that is now deceased

3081
01:46:43,830 --> 01:46:41,760
and you move forward into the timeline

3082
01:46:46,310 --> 01:46:43,840
past the time when they're alive to keep

3083
01:46:49,109 --> 01:46:46,320
communicating with them at a future time

3084
01:46:50,149 --> 01:46:49,119
and the communication continues

3085
01:46:52,870 --> 01:46:50,159
uh

3086
01:46:55,350 --> 01:46:52,880
that would sort of be another dimension

3087
01:46:56,629 --> 01:46:55,360
yeah uh in fact if you're viewing people

3088
01:46:58,709 --> 01:46:56,639
that are already deceased and you feel

3089
01:47:00,629 --> 01:46:58,719
like some sort of communication happens

3090
01:47:02,229 --> 01:47:00,639
there are techniques that you can do in

3091
01:47:05,030 --> 01:47:02,239
some of the phases to

3092
01:47:06,709 --> 01:47:05,040
kind of create communications to some

3093
01:47:08,550 --> 01:47:06,719
degree it's not a channeling technique

3094
01:47:10,229 --> 01:47:08,560
by any means but sometimes that

3095
01:47:11,270 --> 01:47:10,239
information does come through

3096
01:47:13,430 --> 01:47:11,280
and

3097
01:47:15,510 --> 01:47:13,440
to extend you're dealing with people

3098
01:47:17,270 --> 01:47:15,520
that are not physically here anymore but

3099
01:47:18,550 --> 01:47:17,280
you feel like you're communicating with

3100
01:47:20,070 --> 01:47:18,560
them would be

3101
01:47:21,590 --> 01:47:20,080
i would say that'd be my definition of

3102
01:47:23,109 --> 01:47:21,600
communicating with another dimension

3103
01:47:24,229 --> 01:47:23,119
experiencing one or interacting with

3104
01:47:25,750 --> 01:47:24,239
them

3105
01:47:27,750 --> 01:47:25,760
that's great and thank you everyone who

3106
01:47:29,430 --> 01:47:27,760
sent in questions there was more sent in

3107
01:47:31,350 --> 01:47:29,440
which were either similar to what i've

3108
01:47:33,109 --> 01:47:31,360
asked on the show or it's been answered

3109
01:47:35,750 --> 01:47:33,119
within the body of the interview as well

3110
01:47:38,149 --> 01:47:35,760
and like simeon has said there is a lot

3111
01:47:40,550 --> 01:47:38,159
of topics i wanted to cover that i've

3112
01:47:42,149 --> 01:47:40,560
either touched on skipped over or just

3113
01:47:44,229 --> 01:47:42,159
left off for this because i would love

3114
01:47:46,149 --> 01:47:44,239
to speak to some again another time

3115
01:47:48,550 --> 01:47:46,159
where we can go another couple of hours

3116
01:47:50,310 --> 01:47:48,560
in the future um i've got the quickfire

3117
01:47:51,750 --> 01:47:50,320
round just to go over with you sim and

3118
01:47:53,990 --> 01:47:51,760
then we can kind of wrap up the the

3119
01:47:56,070 --> 01:47:54,000
podcast if you're good with that

3120
01:47:57,990 --> 01:47:56,080
sure so

3121
01:47:59,669 --> 01:47:58,000
awesome quickfire you can see as little

3122
01:48:00,870 --> 01:47:59,679
or as much as you like on each each one

3123
01:48:02,870 --> 01:48:00,880
but it's just some of the topics that

3124
01:48:04,390 --> 01:48:02,880
we've not necessarily managed to get to

3125
01:48:06,149 --> 01:48:04,400
within the body of the interview so the

3126
01:48:09,189 --> 01:48:06,159
first one would be your thoughts on to

3127
01:48:14,229 --> 01:48:11,910
yeah well they certainly uh done a lot

3128
01:48:16,790 --> 01:48:14,239
to get our interest in the topic going

3129
01:48:18,870 --> 01:48:16,800
without them we wouldn't have

3130
01:48:20,950 --> 01:48:18,880
congress taking it seriously right now

3131
01:48:23,430 --> 01:48:20,960
they brought it to the news

3132
01:48:25,590 --> 01:48:23,440
i certainly don't agree of looking at

3133
01:48:28,229 --> 01:48:25,600
things in terms of a threat they

3134
01:48:29,910 --> 01:48:28,239
necessarily don't understand but

3135
01:48:31,590 --> 01:48:29,920
maybe that's not the way they really see

3136
01:48:33,830 --> 01:48:31,600
it maybe it's just to you know get

3137
01:48:35,189 --> 01:48:33,840
interest from the government to take

3138
01:48:36,550 --> 01:48:35,199
this issue seriously so they're

3139
01:48:38,709 --> 01:48:36,560
certainly an important player on the

3140
01:48:40,310 --> 01:48:38,719
stage and they've done a lot to move the

3141
01:48:42,390 --> 01:48:40,320
field forward

3142
01:48:44,870 --> 01:48:42,400
no that's great uh angos one would be

3143
01:48:46,950 --> 01:48:44,880
the next one

3144
01:48:49,750 --> 01:48:46,960
well i was lucky enough to meet ingo at

3145
01:48:53,109 --> 01:48:49,760
conferences and even to visit him

3146
01:48:54,149 --> 01:48:53,119
about a week before he passed on uh

3147
01:48:56,310 --> 01:48:54,159
certainly

3148
01:48:58,310 --> 01:48:56,320
you know a really amazing

3149
01:49:00,470 --> 01:48:58,320
person that opened our eyes to these

3150
01:49:01,990 --> 01:49:00,480
topics he was the ultimate stubborn

3151
01:49:04,070 --> 01:49:02,000
person

3152
01:49:05,910 --> 01:49:04,080
going back to that einstein quote

3153
01:49:09,350 --> 01:49:05,920
he would not give in

3154
01:49:12,470 --> 01:49:09,360
and he would not quit until russell

3155
01:49:14,470 --> 01:49:12,480
targe and alberto let him try out his

3156
01:49:16,790 --> 01:49:14,480
coordinate system and his other ways of

3157
01:49:19,350 --> 01:49:16,800
doing viewing so without ingo

3158
01:49:22,629 --> 01:49:19,360
uh we wouldn't have beef as far along as

3159
01:49:24,470 --> 01:49:22,639
we are now with a lot of uh rv and some

3160
01:49:25,750 --> 01:49:24,480
of these other topics yeah it was

3161
01:49:27,910 --> 01:49:25,760
certainly someone who when you think

3162
01:49:29,589 --> 01:49:27,920
about thinking outside the box he was

3163
01:49:32,149 --> 01:49:29,599
outside the box and thinking outside of

3164
01:49:33,830 --> 01:49:32,159
that box as well so uh definitely

3165
01:49:36,070 --> 01:49:33,840
someone who it was a huge part of that

3166
01:49:40,790 --> 01:49:36,080
this whole subject um

3167
01:49:42,470 --> 01:49:40,800
for you would you go with ufo or uap

3168
01:49:44,550 --> 01:49:42,480
you know

3169
01:49:47,350 --> 01:49:44,560
it's fine to change the names of things

3170
01:49:50,470 --> 01:49:47,360
because if you call it uap it doesn't

3171
01:49:52,709 --> 01:49:50,480
have the baggage maybe that ufos do but

3172
01:49:54,629 --> 01:49:52,719
we don't want to leave ufos behind

3173
01:49:57,910 --> 01:49:54,639
either i mean

3174
01:49:58,709 --> 01:49:57,920
we've had a hundred years of this weird

3175
01:50:00,229 --> 01:49:58,719
and

3176
01:50:01,750 --> 01:50:00,239
freaky phenomena

3177
01:50:03,830 --> 01:50:01,760
we called ufos

3178
01:50:05,270 --> 01:50:03,840
so if you want to call them uaps because

3179
01:50:07,669 --> 01:50:05,280
that's again calling it like remote

3180
01:50:10,310 --> 01:50:07,679
viewing if it's more acceptable

3181
01:50:12,470 --> 01:50:10,320
to the mainstream media and the

3182
01:50:15,109 --> 01:50:12,480
government to refer to it that way then

3183
01:50:17,030 --> 01:50:15,119
that's obviously okay because they feel

3184
01:50:18,950 --> 01:50:17,040
like oh it's you know politically

3185
01:50:21,109 --> 01:50:18,960
correct to talk about this topic now so

3186
01:50:24,149 --> 01:50:21,119
maybe that's what we need to

3187
01:50:26,149 --> 01:50:24,159
bring it more into the mainstream

3188
01:50:27,430 --> 01:50:26,159
the next one is someone who has a a

3189
01:50:29,910 --> 01:50:27,440
massive

3190
01:50:32,070 --> 01:50:29,920
say in both to the sarcasm to the stars

3191
01:50:34,790 --> 01:50:32,080
academy and residence viewing it would

3192
01:50:36,550 --> 01:50:34,800
be hal pitov

3193
01:50:38,709 --> 01:50:36,560
yeah i mean how

3194
01:50:41,109 --> 01:50:38,719
the fascinating thing about how

3195
01:50:43,589 --> 01:50:41,119
we knew him as someone involved in

3196
01:50:46,629 --> 01:50:43,599
remote viewing research he was a laser

3197
01:50:49,430 --> 01:50:46,639
physicist like russell targ he got

3198
01:50:52,550 --> 01:50:49,440
interested in the subject he got ingo to

3199
01:50:56,070 --> 01:50:52,560
come out to california

3200
01:50:57,830 --> 01:50:56,080
and we all knew him as this person who

3201
01:51:00,709 --> 01:50:57,840
you know apart from studying other

3202
01:51:02,390 --> 01:51:00,719
topics in physics uh kind of like exotic

3203
01:51:03,750 --> 01:51:02,400
vacuum objects and ball lightning

3204
01:51:04,790 --> 01:51:03,760
casimir effect these other interesting

3205
01:51:07,270 --> 01:51:04,800
quantum

3206
01:51:10,070 --> 01:51:07,280
phenomena we knew him in an rv but it

3207
01:51:13,109 --> 01:51:10,080
was quite a shock when he told us

3208
01:51:14,870 --> 01:51:13,119
in 2018 at the irv ssc conference that

3209
01:51:16,229 --> 01:51:14,880
he had also been studying ufos this

3210
01:51:18,390 --> 01:51:16,239
whole time

3211
01:51:20,550 --> 01:51:18,400
too for the government

3212
01:51:22,870 --> 01:51:20,560
so there's still probably a lot about

3213
01:51:24,790 --> 01:51:22,880
how that we don't know but he's

3214
01:51:27,350 --> 01:51:24,800
certainly been a very important player

3215
01:51:29,030 --> 01:51:27,360
to bring this out to the public and to

3216
01:51:30,470 --> 01:51:29,040
kind of be this go-between i guess

3217
01:51:31,910 --> 01:51:30,480
between the government and the rest of

3218
01:51:32,830 --> 01:51:31,920
us to tell us what they've really been

3219
01:51:36,149 --> 01:51:32,840
looking

3220
01:51:39,430 --> 01:51:36,159
at the next one would be antarctica as a

3221
01:51:43,430 --> 01:51:40,950
yeah it's not something that i really

3222
01:51:44,790 --> 01:51:43,440
know a huge amount about

3223
01:51:47,030 --> 01:51:44,800
um

3224
01:51:49,109 --> 01:51:47,040
perhaps we'll uncover what's ever going

3225
01:51:50,950 --> 01:51:49,119
on there i just hear the same thing that

3226
01:51:52,950 --> 01:51:50,960
the rest of you here so i don't really

3227
01:51:54,790 --> 01:51:52,960
have any special information about

3228
01:51:57,350 --> 01:51:54,800
antarctica

3229
01:51:59,030 --> 01:51:57,360
apart from these ideas that you know

3230
01:52:00,709 --> 01:51:59,040
we've been exposed to that perhaps

3231
01:52:02,470 --> 01:52:00,719
there's more going on there than we know

3232
01:52:03,990 --> 01:52:02,480
about

3233
01:52:05,750 --> 01:52:04,000
certainly and the last one like to

3234
01:52:07,589 --> 01:52:05,760
finish off with all my guests is

3235
01:52:09,669 --> 01:52:07,599
disclosure what are your thoughts what

3236
01:52:11,910 --> 01:52:09,679
is disclosure

3237
01:52:12,950 --> 01:52:11,920
well it's obviously it's this topic of

3238
01:52:16,709 --> 01:52:12,960
the day

3239
01:52:19,270 --> 01:52:16,719
and uh it's coming at us but again

3240
01:52:20,550 --> 01:52:19,280
the main thing i would

3241
01:52:21,910 --> 01:52:20,560
reinforce

3242
01:52:24,390 --> 01:52:21,920
is that

3243
01:52:27,109 --> 01:52:24,400
it's our own inner disclosure that has

3244
01:52:29,430 --> 01:52:27,119
to accompany the outer disclosure that's

3245
01:52:31,430 --> 01:52:29,440
my personal bent on all this

3246
01:52:33,589 --> 01:52:31,440
you can only go so far on the outside as

3247
01:52:36,950 --> 01:52:33,599
you're willing to go on the inside

3248
01:52:39,910 --> 01:52:36,960
because any new information paradigm

3249
01:52:41,830 --> 01:52:39,920
change demands things of you too right

3250
01:52:45,589 --> 01:52:41,840
it's not a free ride

3251
01:52:49,030 --> 01:52:45,599
it demands that you change and you

3252
01:52:50,629 --> 01:52:49,040
step up to play a bigger role so

3253
01:52:53,189 --> 01:52:50,639
you need to think about in terms of your

3254
01:52:54,550 --> 01:52:53,199
own development to match the disclosure

3255
01:52:56,310 --> 01:52:54,560
on the outside i think the pace of

3256
01:52:59,350 --> 01:52:56,320
disclosure

3257
01:53:00,790 --> 01:52:59,360
will go as fast as we're comfortable

3258
01:53:02,870 --> 01:53:00,800
with it and those of us that are

3259
01:53:06,229 --> 01:53:02,880
involved in this research

3260
01:53:08,709 --> 01:53:06,239
uh need to be constantly you know

3261
01:53:10,470 --> 01:53:08,719
stepping up our game

3262
01:53:12,550 --> 01:53:10,480
and personally on a creative level like

3263
01:53:14,390 --> 01:53:12,560
your listener asked before

3264
01:53:16,870 --> 01:53:14,400
to be fully there to be fully present

3265
01:53:19,270 --> 01:53:16,880
and to withhold judgment but to be

3266
01:53:20,629 --> 01:53:19,280
looking at new information

3267
01:53:22,390 --> 01:53:20,639
to

3268
01:53:24,390 --> 01:53:22,400
see this in the biggest possible way

3269
01:53:26,390 --> 01:53:24,400
rather than fitting it in to a

3270
01:53:27,669 --> 01:53:26,400
pre-existing box

3271
01:53:30,629 --> 01:53:27,679
so

3272
01:53:32,709 --> 01:53:30,639
great answer as well um listen sim thank

3273
01:53:34,229 --> 01:53:32,719
you very much for your time can you just

3274
01:53:35,910 --> 01:53:34,239
let the listeners know how they can get

3275
01:53:37,350 --> 01:53:35,920
in touch with you and of course

3276
01:53:39,189 --> 01:53:37,360
something i've not spoke about as much

3277
01:53:41,350 --> 01:53:39,199
as i would have liked on this show is

3278
01:53:43,270 --> 01:53:41,360
also how they can look at resonance

3279
01:53:45,350 --> 01:53:43,280
viewing themselves if they want to get

3280
01:53:46,790 --> 01:53:45,360
involved in the mount baldy institute

3281
01:53:48,229 --> 01:53:46,800
you can give them some details on that

3282
01:53:50,550 --> 01:53:48,239
too

3283
01:53:52,950 --> 01:53:50,560
oh yeah i have a uh

3284
01:53:54,790 --> 01:53:52,960
you know like a free mini seven part

3285
01:53:56,470 --> 01:53:54,800
virtual viewing class i just call it

3286
01:53:58,709 --> 01:53:56,480
virtual viewing it's online it's

3287
01:54:00,709 --> 01:53:58,719
resonant viewing training you can do

3288
01:54:04,390 --> 01:54:00,719
some of my free videos

3289
01:54:08,229 --> 01:54:05,990
feel free to go there and look for the

3290
01:54:10,470 --> 01:54:08,239
free mini class

3291
01:54:12,950 --> 01:54:10,480
my books are opening

3292
01:54:13,990 --> 01:54:12,960
minds and black swan ghosts most

3293
01:54:15,510 --> 01:54:14,000
recently

3294
01:54:17,109 --> 01:54:15,520
about the witnesses that i've

3295
01:54:19,589 --> 01:54:17,119
interviewed

3296
01:54:21,109 --> 01:54:19,599
also a book planetary intelligence you

3297
01:54:23,270 --> 01:54:21,119
know about connecting to some of these

3298
01:54:25,270 --> 01:54:23,280
bigger frequencies these other

3299
01:54:26,070 --> 01:54:25,280
sorts of uh phenomena that we've talked

3300
01:54:27,510 --> 01:54:26,080
about

3301
01:54:28,950 --> 01:54:27,520
that we see around us but we're not

3302
01:54:30,550 --> 01:54:28,960
paying attention to

3303
01:54:32,070 --> 01:54:30,560
and uh

3304
01:54:35,510 --> 01:54:32,080
um

3305
01:54:38,310 --> 01:54:35,520
youtube you can go to youtube my youtube

3306
01:54:40,629 --> 01:54:38,320
channel and new crystal mind is my blog

3307
01:54:42,149 --> 01:54:40,639
where i put updates so i'm i'm happy to

3308
01:54:43,910 --> 01:54:42,159
correspond with any of you feel free to

3309
01:54:45,830 --> 01:54:43,920
ask your questions i don't have all the

3310
01:54:47,589 --> 01:54:45,840
answers to a lot of this but it's always

3311
01:54:48,950 --> 01:54:47,599
fun to bring up the right questions and

3312
01:54:51,270 --> 01:54:48,960
to kind of

3313
01:54:52,629 --> 01:54:51,280
just see what's on people's minds

3314
01:54:53,990 --> 01:54:52,639
i really appreciate the questions a lot

3315
01:54:56,629 --> 01:54:54,000
of great questions from your uh

3316
01:54:58,149 --> 01:54:56,639
listeners so uh

3317
01:54:59,910 --> 01:54:58,159
it's always the questions are always

3318
01:55:01,830 --> 01:54:59,920
more important than the answers so keep

3319
01:55:03,750 --> 01:55:01,840
asking good questions you are someone

3320
01:55:05,270 --> 01:55:03,760
definitely your generating a lot of

3321
01:55:06,950 --> 01:55:05,280
interest and so thank you and look

3322
01:55:08,870 --> 01:55:06,960
forward to speaking to you again

3323
01:55:11,109 --> 01:55:08,880
okay take care thanks a lot

3324
01:55:13,189 --> 01:55:11,119
thank you again bye

3325
01:55:15,189 --> 01:55:13,199
that is all for this week's show thank

3326
01:55:17,189 --> 01:55:15,199
you very much for listening please

3327
01:55:19,830 --> 01:55:17,199
remember to leave the podcast to review

3328
01:55:22,149 --> 01:55:19,840
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3329
01:55:24,070 --> 01:55:22,159
retweet and subscribe that would all be

3330
01:55:26,229 --> 01:55:24,080
very much appreciated the shows are

3331
01:55:27,750 --> 01:55:26,239
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3332
01:55:30,229 --> 01:55:27,760
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01:55:32,950 --> 01:55:30,239
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3334
01:55:35,189 --> 01:55:32,960
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3335
01:55:38,070 --> 01:55:35,199
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3336
01:55:41,189 --> 01:55:38,080
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3337
01:55:43,350 --> 01:55:41,199
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3338
01:55:46,380 --> 01:55:43,360
and again folks as always keep looking

3339
01:56:06,790 --> 01:55:46,390
up you never know what you might see

3340
01:56:06,800 --> 01:56:13,500
is

3341
01:56:57,260 --> 01:56:36,050
[Music]

3342
01:57:03,990 --> 01:56:57,270
scare me

3343
01:57:06,229 --> 01:57:04,000
[Music]

3344
01:57:11,920 --> 01:57:06,239
if you really want to know who i think

3345
01:57:22,870 --> 01:57:17,050
[Music]

3346
01:57:22,880 --> 01:57:30,960
open mind

3347
01:57:30,970 --> 01:57:43,990
[Music]

3348
01:57:51,990 --> 01:57:46,080
what's that is

3349
01:57:53,910 --> 01:57:52,000
[Music]

3350
01:58:04,970 --> 01:57:53,920
it wasn't a tic tac and not quite a

3351
01:58:16,470 --> 01:58:14,550
[Music]

3352
01:58:25,610 --> 01:58:16,480
it's very smooth